Did these guy's shoot together?
 

I am calling them out, just heard from somebody they all shot together?
Tom Dagit DePere WI 417 21 SPM 1st
D J Dontje Greenville WI 408 16 MBO 1st
Daniel Dontje Shiocton WI 402 15 MBO 3rd
Tad Dontje Appleton WI 396 14 YMR 15-17 1st

RE: Did these guy's shoot together?
 

They might have, i dont know.

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Any idea what day or time? It might help narrow it down for other to help.

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As a matter of fact they did not shoot together. Tom Dagit shot with me (Elliot Heath-SPM) and I took 3rd. I do not know what you are trying to imply but you are dead wrong. Tom Dagit has won this same tournament 3 times in SPM, 4th the other year. As for the 3 other guys, I do not know if they shot together (they are from a differerent archery shop about an hour away from ours) but they certainly have what it takes to shoot those scores, if not higher. If you want to see how we shoot, travel over to Wisconsin where we shoot indoor 3-D every weekend on courses way more challenging than that one. Dont imply something when you are way off. The only reason I go to Indoor World is to win. We have shot the tournament for many years now, and I think we got the hang of it. Its the only national tournament I typcially shoot, and kick ass in it every year. Dont be stupid and post dumb remarks like the one you did...

RE: Did these guy's shoot together?
 

looks like a call to the ibo office or an email would be a little more appropriate there bart.....calling folks out without good information doesn't look good on your end.

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Here we go again!;)

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your basing this on heresay. you didnt see them shoot together you merely heard this from somebody else and now your attemping to make there scores false. just out of curiosity did you get beat by one of those people?????

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Your accusing people of cheating? That isnt right dude, you have to have factual information to call somebody out like that. I could understand if you saw them shoot together and got suspicious ideas, but from the post that ElliotHeath posted i believe these guys are fair shooters. You only get better if you shoot tough courses and do well at them. I beleive these guys shoot honest scores and i have only seen once where true cheeting occurs. I was at the Indoor world in cleveland last year and i was watching guys walk to their target, pull theor arrows, and then walk accross the range to their next target and walk their yardage off while the guy on the tower was watching every one of them. I believe that shoot is an easy shoot and expected high scores from it, but watching guys even from your own group cheat is discusting.
Sorry guys had to vent.

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Its not like they shot 30 up or somthing:eek:, they shot beleivable scores!Matt Sharp and I shot together-1st and 2cd MBR- 410 & 405. We just pushed each other and had a good time.

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If you have been around the IBO the last few years you should know who Tom Dagit is and that he is an excellant shooter and always at the top of his class,and like someone else said earlier he has won before.

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I am very sorry about my BIG MOUTH, I heard that several groups was not busted up and a few guy from WI shoot together and after talking to the guy's that saw this act told me they where wrong about Tom Dagit. I think I will just keep my mouth shut for awhile and I am sorry if I heart anybody's feelings.
Most of you know I was only venting and things do need to change to prevent groups from shooting together. This is not saying all groups cheat. I shot with a friend a couple years ago and I had a close call on a shot that I thought was out and he said it was in because he was my friend and I told them to make it a 8.. It would have been easy for me to take a eight since they both agreed on it, but I knew different..
Keep up the good shooting and time will tell on some of the scores at the Triple Crown.
Please forgive me!

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I would like to say that I don't know anything aboutthe 07indoor world, and I am not directing any comments to that. But I do agree that something more needs to be done about shooting groups. I know the rule says that groups must notify the range officals that the group knows each other and that they need to be busted. But what if they dont? If I have a problem with a group, I can notify the officals. But do I have to give them $25.00 before they will hear me? I believe the honor system is great when you are dealing with honorable people. But it seems like this topic isbeing discused more and more by lots of people. I have been lucky to shoot with very upstanding people at the shoots I have attended. But I do know of groups of shooters from my area that come to these shoots together, and shoot together.I am not commenting about the topic on this thread. I am just commenting on the local and national shoots that I have attended. I think if something was done to remove any dought about scoresit would be and improvment to this sport. I will say it one more time. I am not commenting on the indoor world. I was not their and the scores are not a suprise to me. Congradulations to all the winners at Cleveland.

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As I have said in all my post on this forum I am very new to 3D archery and have not been around very long but I still havein my opinion. I have said that last year I shot hunter class and in the IBO and this year I am shooting the ASA shoots because I have alot of conflicting dates this year and rather then not shooting at all I decided to shoot 5 of the 7 ASA's. After last year of shooting and reading all the post regarding the IBO and how things are done I have come to some of my own conculsions. I feel that the IBO needs to take a more active part in running of their national events instead of putting it in someone elses hands and hope it goes well. Now like I said I am new and have not been around long but what is sad about this is even someone like myself can see that problems that exist with the way the IBO is run and I am new. I couldn't even begin to understand how people have been able to deal with these topics for a on going amount of time. With shooting the ASA shoots this year thereare no questions aboutwheredid our entry money go, and these people cheated because they take control of their own baby. They show you the payouts, They tell youwhat time you shoot, what stake you shoot at and also who you are going to shoot with. All the people inyour shooting group are there to do the same thing you are trying to do and thats win so there are nowellthats close enough. It is eather thereor it's not. I like the IBO shoots and athe scoring alot better then the ASA and I like the walks at the IBO shoots from target to target but I don't like all the conflict about money, cheating, and passing of the buck on the people holding the shoots by the IBO. I would love to see the IBO adopt some new and improved shooting standards and get rid of all these post about things not being the way the shooters want them.