RU class rules
 

Is it okay to have a weight at the top and bottom of the handle?I don`t have a stabilizer on it just the weights.

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3darcher
I have shoot RU for a few years and it does not say anything in rules about weights. RU shooters have run weights on riser for years and also I see them put weights on there arms.So it goes on in Ru and no rules about this. But I can tell you from experience that if you win in this class there our a few crybabieswho mite make a seen about it. I have found in IBO ,that a few make rules has they go to try and advance there agenda. Just ask Dave hawkins about last year at IBO world shoot in TRAD class. He had a paint chip on riser ,they said he was useing for a sight. I seen the chip and it was so high ,you would have had to shoot into theground at your feet to make it work lol. I have shot with Dave for years and he will beat you no matter what you take away from him. Now I here the crybabies want to take away the two nock locaters , this I find real funny because if you know anything of finger shooting the lower nock isnot any different then three fingers under. What I mean by that is with split finger releace you cant put presser on the top finger, it will cause flyers but with three under you have all fingers under and can get away with presser on top finger.Anyway Daveis a fine shot and some cant stand it.I say go for it and let the crybabies cry.
3dchamp

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BY ADDING WEIGHTS TO THE TOP OR BOTTOM SOMEONE MIGHT SAY THAT IT'S ANOTHER STABILIZER, IF IT STICKS OUT FROM THE HANDLE. IT WAS DONE TO ME AT THE IBO WORLDS LAST YEAR, I TOOK MY BACK WEIGHT OFF BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO BE DQ'ED AT THE CHAMPIONSHIP ROUND.


JIM

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Thanks for the input, I guess I`ll try it. I have shot ru for a lot of years and you could haveyour bowlooking like you was trying to pick up the local radio stations.BUT, the rules seem to change alot, especially the yardage. I`ve been out of it for a little while and I thought I would come back and try it againso I wanted to find out if anything changed.Thanks again and I`ll see you on the course.

11 RING SHOTS FOREVER!!
BLANKS NEVER!!!!!!

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RECURVE UN-AIDED (RU)

A recurve or long bow with no sighting device. A rest and plunger are all that may reside within the sight window. There will be no markings on the bow or on the bowstring that could be construed as sighting marks. There will not be any type of draw check on the bow or string. There may be only one nocking point on the string. Must be shot with glove, finger tab or bare fingers. The arrow shall be of the same material and in uniform length and weight. There shall be a single stabilizer not in excess of 12 inches from the front of the bow. While shooting the archer shall touch the arrow with the index against the nock using a single anchor point.



A single stabilizer,..............when is a weight not a stabilizer.....?
12 inches from the front of the bow........when are the upper and lower limbs considered the front of the bow.......?
TTTA:eek:hummmmm.....



heard there was a bow repainted before alabama?

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OMG
You need to rethink what you just said .It does not take a genis to know a stablizer is a stablizer and a weight is a weight . Also were do you see the word weight in stablize, I cant. No where in RU rules does it say anything about weights . So if you wish to take away weight then you have to come up with some way of weighing every ones bow and figureing whats a avg. weight a recurve should weigh. Or you could say in rules no add on weights to bow or riser. But in till the rules say such things then it cant be used againest some one . Like I said in earlyer post ,I see guys in RU running weights on bows for years and no one said crap also on there armsI have seen weight added .but then this 3DI thing came a long andnow if someone cant win they cry.Also if you say a riser can have no weights added ,then the phnolic bob lees would not be in andalso some widows. Phnolic was added to wood risers to give them weight not stablize ,but give them heft.Your limbs and tune is what stablize.Heyhow about all them ruber limb savers they run onlimbs and risers ,I guess you would have to say them our outlawed they stablize dont they. I have heard that black widow is coming out with a riser with metal in itthen what .I think again its just a few crybabies in the Ru and Trad div who cant win and they just want to blame something other then there lack of skills. RU should be a target class and allow string and face walking and long stablizers ,just keep the sights off. You know what I say if you cant run with the big dogs then stay on the porch.
Bill

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Geez relax, am I confused? What is a visible, attatchedweight on a Recurve used for?

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Bill,

I took your post and ran it through a translation program and after reading the translated version, I determined that I agree with a lot of what you wrote.

The translated version;

OMG
You need to rethink what you just said .It does not take a genius to know a stabilizer is a stabilizer and a weight is a weight . Also were do you see the word weight in stabilize, I can't. No where in RU rules does it say anything about weights . So if you wish to take away weight then you have to come up with some way of weighing every ones bow and figuring whats an avg. weight a re-curve should weigh. Or you could say in rules no add on weights to bow or riser. But until the rules say such things then it can't be used against some one . Like I said in earlier post ,I see guys in RU running weights on bows for years and no one said crap also on there arms I have seen weight added .but then this 3DI thing came a long and now if someone can't win they cry. Also if you say a riser can have no weights added ,then the phenolic bob lee's would not be in and also some widows. Phenolic was added to wood risers to give them weight not stabilize ,but give them heft. Your limbs and tune is what stabilize. Hey how about all them rubber limb savers they run on limbs and risers ,I guess you would have to say them our outlawed they stabilize don't they. I have heard that black widow is coming out with a riser with metal in it then what . I think again its just a few crybabies in the Ru and Trad div who can't win and they just want to blame something other then there lack of skills. RU should be a target class and allow string and face walking and long stabilizers ,just keep the sights off. You know what I say if you can't run with the big dogs then stay on the porch.
Bill

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Hey cueball
Good to see you back , I am glad you our still checking up on me . Its nice to know some one out there is looking out for me. About the spell check ,I just dont want to lookandsound to artsee fartsee . Also those fat and sassy fingers you know. I just talked to my bud he is going to make me a riser out ofsteel ,he said it will weigh about 10 pounds. I hope the RU police does not give me a hard time in Cleveland lol. Oh thats right I would have to win once.
Bill

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"A beginner's guide to archery

Last modified: Mon Jun 13 13:31:33 2005
Stabilizers
Stabilizer are various combinations of rods, weights, and dampers that screw onto your bow to dampen oscillations during release."

http://kevinboone.com/doing_archery.html


I don’t know, I see weight used a lot with stabilizer
thus the confusion sets in:(


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Will someone explain what the real problem is with having a weight or weights.Anyone, anyone.As usual, it was likely a problem with someone that was losing all the time and had to find something to complain about.Thus, RULE CHANGE!!! Let`s see what can we think of next,I know the string doesn`t have enough strands or maybe it has too many.Whatever.

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let's just forget it. I was going to try RU but, I have changed my mind.
relax its just archery

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I was looking at RU rules last night. It did say (There shall be a single stabilizer not in excess of 12 inches from Front of bow) . The key word here is Front. I remember back to my days of making bows. We had the belly of the bow and the back of bow. I guess this front thing is from the compound lingo. So if we assume the IBO is talking about the back of the bow ,witch faces away from the archer . I would say that if you want to run weights on the back of the riseror belly side faceing the archer,it would be just fine. There is nothing in the rules about running anything off the belly side or back. That is probley why the little rubber limb savers and the other rubber things that hang off the RU class bows our OK. Remember I am assumeing this and we all know what (ass u me means) and I am sure my little bud will corect me on this. So Jim Powell ,when you got messed with at the 2005worlds for your back weight, it was not in the rules ,that you could not do so. So again back to a earlyer post of mine ,I had said there our a few who cant win and will do what ever it takes to try and bring the top shooters down. I have also said in past that if these so called archers put as much time in to there practice as they do in crying about drifferent bows and weights . They would be the champs lol.
Bill

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If the weight extends out of the bow with more mass away from the bow than on the bow it would be considerd a stabilizer. The weight must be added in a way it does not extend away from the bow.

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Rack Buck
It does not say that in Ru rules .This is what gets me about these rules ,everyone has there own opion and nothing is in writing. I can not see protesting some one ,when it is not in rules. This is where the problem lies. Ok lets assume again that a stablizer is a weight ( witch I still dont agree with) The Ru rules state one stablizer exstending 12 inches or less off the front of bow. So why would some one complain about Jim Powell running a weight off the back of his bow. He did take it off at worlds because of the complaining, witch I feel is wrong. This leads me again to my earlyer post about crybabieswho cant win. I have shoot here in Michigan with Jim Powell ,Dave Hawkins and Bill Powell for years . These shooters our cream of the crop and they did not get there because of a paint chip or a weight .Last year Jims weight is not what put him in the top and for someone to think that a silly little weight is how he won is insane. I just looked in my dictionary for the word stabilizer, it said nothing of weight . I will say my book is old and may have been changed to fit new needs of today. But anyway if you cannot run weights then the rules need to be changed to say so. It could read stabilizer/weights of any kind can notexstend off bow or limbs. But thereagain I feel the Ru should be a target class and you should be able to run what you brung . Just no sight.
Bill:)

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"There shall be a single stabilizer..."

Of course, if you were to take this rule literally, then you must use a stabilizer ;)

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who said jphe won because of his back weight?
where was that brought up on this post by anyone except 3dchamp?
I think a recurve should be shotbare and if you can shoot it then rules do not matter, same with distance, same with precieved bias

if you look up stablizer and weights in archery catalogs, they seem tofrequently be used together
so why the confusion?

mgwc

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I BROUGHT IT UP ON THE 3rd POST OF THIS THREAD. IT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION AT THE CHAMPIONSHIP FLIGHT BY GENE BIHLER THAT SOME MIGHT PROTEST ME IF I LEFT IT ON,SO I TOOK IT OFF. I WAS ALSO TOLD IT BY THE PERSON THAT TOLD GENE.


JIM

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did anyone (on this post)say you wonbecause of the weight?
if you won, you won. congrats




It sounds a weight like you described would most likey be used by a compound shooter,
any other ru's use it?
I am wondering if I should try it

Can you provide the brand name, product name, manufacture, cost something so I can check it out

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Omg
I have looked it up also and if you look at Lancaster archery catolog you will notice that there our two drifferent kinds of weights . On page 107 it shows weights for the stablizer and add on weights , it said nothing of stabilizeing ,just adding weight to stabilzer. Yes I have used back weights in the past in RU and see others running them also.All I am trying to say is if you cant run weights in RU then let the rules be changed to show this, other wise what Gene and this other person told Jim should have never happened. Also if weights our to be ruled has stabilizers ,then the little rubber limb savers and anything added to bow or limbs to stabilize should be outlawed in all classes also. If you wantRU to be a barebow class then it should be like NFAA no stablizers at all. But again like I said in earler post the RU class is a target class and all things should be allowed except sights. We have the trad class for the hunters and longbow for them.
Bill

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My 2 cents worth.

If you look at Traditional, Longbow, and Female Traditional the rule states "No stabilizers or counter balances". The point to be made is that IBO destinguishes between a stabilizer and a counter balance. In the rules for RU the rule specifically addresses the stabilizer butmentions no restrictionsin regards to a counter balance.

Yes, if someone is ignorant to the difference between a stabilizer and a counter balance then they could pay their protest fee, which in regards to this rule would be better referred to as tuition fee.

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Thank you Milton
For that last post maybe you and I our not as different as I first thought. I only want all the complaining to stop and just shoot. It seems like after every shoot some one who did not win is crying about he did this and you did that and so on. You know I have been in this IBO for alittle while and I never win but I dont cry about it . I just head home to do more shooting lol . Any way Milton maybe you and I just got off on the wrong foot and I am sorry for any name calling I have done and hope we can be pals.
Bill

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21st.....
you ROCK
don't know you but Thank you ;);)

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I did not feel I was complaining,... do not even know who JP is

I was confused, not crying

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21st cent, Well said and I agree. I didn`t think this was a major issue when I posted this thread but I see there are a wide range of views.Maybe it will all be cleared up now.

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IT COULD BE KIND A SCARRY IF 21st AND 3DCHAMP ARE ON THE SAME PAGE.

JIM

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I am sure that Bill and I share common ground on a lot of archery related ideas, but I am also sure we disagree as well.

It has been my experience that if you find someone who is agreeable with everyone, then a red flag should be raised. I would be suspicious of such a person, but that is just me.

I personally feel that there are a number of IBO rules that are nonsensical to me, but I do not think that they can be changed by using this forum to attack persons who disagree with our personal views.

I admitt to being one who will draw my own long knives, once I feel first blood has been drawn, but I hope I am smart enough to resheave them at the first opportuninty.

I am very optimistic that shooting a bow and arrow in the traditional manor has the opportunity to become more popular in the IBO. I feel that rules that govern the traditional classes will have to be addressed by folks who want the best for the whole and the interest of individuals will have to take a back seat.

As for complaints/whining, I am of the opinion that it is human nature to find an excuse as to why we did not finish in the top position, because as we all know it couldn,t be that talent alone could possible out perform us on any given Sunday. With the above said, I think the best we can do isensure rules are in place that make our sport as equitable as possible.

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Well said, Milton.