RE: 3-di rules
 

21st cent
If you look at the number of shooters that attend the 3 nouthern triple crown shoots you will see that in RU,trad and longbow, there our more who attend the north then the south. So to say it is selfish on my part to state that it should be the northern triple crown to decide who goes to the 3di is just stating facts. If you set it up like the shooter of the year you would not get the best shooters . Just look at last year in RU Jim Powell won every shoot north of Kentucky and did not get shooter of the year ,it is given to the one who attends the most shoots not the best shooter. IBO needs to set it up to get the best shooters for 3diand I feel you would get that in the north.

RE: 3-di rules
 

Bill,

I want to reply intelligently to your last post, so I think it is best that I sleep on it.

For now I will say that the criteria for Shooter of the Year has not changed and I see absolutly no ambiguity when I read it.

Milton

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Milton
Dont worry about hurting my feelings, I can take it. The reason I brought up the shooter of the year was I thought you were wanting to change the 3di to be like shooter of the year . You had said somthing about the 9 national shoots . All I am saying is you get more shooters at the north so it would seem to me to be better to have the northern triple crown to be how you get to 3di . I was not trying to slam the south. Keith Bain is from your area and a fine shooter and comes north when he wants ,Ricky Welch also will come north, Darell Messal anether fine shooter. What IBO needs to do is set it up and we will have to live with it.
Bill

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Bill,

Obviously there are good shooters every where you go, and I am sure there are some great shooters who have never stepped onto a 3D course. I think the only reason that makes sense, when wondering why folks travel to3D shoots, is simply because they like the competion. Some choose to venture outside of their own backyards to find competitors whocan provide a greater test and measure of their own abilities. I think that the above is a healthy attitude to have regardless to whether your competing in archery or shooting marbles. The world is getting smaller and so are our backyards, hence we see the competive efforts of 3-DI.

You mentioned some exceptional shooters that reside in the South, and in each instance you mentioned that they come up North. The point that I want to emphasize is that the same highway that takes these shooters North, will accomidate traffic that is headed South.

Actually I do not think that the SOY program is a flawless way of selecting shooters that will represent in 3-DI competion, but it is my opinion that it comes closer than anything else we have now. I do not think that last years SOY will nececasrily be this years SOY, so that could be seen as a flaw. I would think that the best way, would be a perpetual ranking system that would incoroporate all nine national shoots into the equation. It would have to be a system that would have the results of previous shoots falling out of the system while current shoots were being added. A system such as described would make selection of the best shooting representative much easier and systematic, and could be done equitably atany given time of the year. Like anything that involves more thanone person, implementation is normally more difficult than conceptionlizing.

Deciding on an approach that will be equitable and efficient is not always as easy as an onlooker my perceive. Give the IBO administration some credit, they are seeking the opinions of the membership.



On a different subject:

You wrote about the SOY program,"it is given to the one who attends the most shoots not the best shooter". Bill, that comment kind of comes across as sour grapes. With the exception of the Longbow SOY (who had to be more lucky than good), all of the SOY winners are much deserving in my opinion. I certainly make the above statement not to hurt your feelings because I am sure you can take it, but only in hopes that you may reconsider your thoughts on the SOY program.


Milton

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Iam sorry milton but the SOY program is nothing more then who makes the most shoots , now if there where more shootes in the RU ,trad and longbow who partisapated then it may be the best shooter. You dont have to win, just be at the most shoots ,now how is that going to get the best shooter. You got to look at it this way ,we has stick shooters in IBO only count for 50 60 shooters if lucky . I dont think the IBO is going to go out of its way to please us. Compounds pay the bills and thats where the money is. Dont take me wrong I thank the IBO for what they do let us have and I think we should be thankful for it. I just cant see going to all the above things in your post to please a few. Like I said in a earlyer post Ken and the board had it all good at snowshoe when this 3di started 5 years ago or so ,then a group got it all changed and now it needs to go back and also like Ken said in earlyer post ,the last two teams have been picked from the north and it went fine . All I want is the IBO to put it in stone and lets move on and no more crying about it.
Bill

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Bill,

The good/bad thing about putting something in writing is that someone can always go back an check the record. Bill in your last post you paraphrased Ken as saying "the last two teams have been picked from the north and it went fine".

I went back and read what Ken actually wrote (below is the quote).

"The last selections were based upon the shooter of the year program. Top two were chosen. Since we have gotten so little reponse, I would imagine the board of directors will follow the same format. That is my opinion and I do not know what they will do."

As for the SOY program being awarded to the person who merely shoots the most shoots, I went back and looked at your class (RU).

The person who won SOY in your class shot in 6 of the8 shoots that are used to determine SOY. Taking this particular persons best 5 of his 6 shoots he had an average of 360. There was only one person who had a better average and this particular person had an average of 368 over 4 shoots. I was also curious as to your results and of the two shoots that you shot your average was 356. Based on the numbers I would conclude that your assertion that the SOY is awarded to someone who merely attends the most shoots is not supported by the actual numbers.

The person that had an average of 368 had a real good shot at winning the SOY crown IF he shot another shoot.

The person that actually won could have improved his average IF he would have shot the other two shoots.

You could have won the SOY crown IF you would have shot 3 more shoots,AND shotbetter than the two that you did.

The following phrase may be a Southern thing, on that I am not sure, but regardless I thing it is applicable.

When IF, AND, or BUT becomes candy and nuts we will all be fat and sassy!!!!!

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Well Champ that is not exactlyso for "who makes the most shoots. It takes five scores out of the eight.

Winternationals Abilene TX Mar 10-12
IBO Indoor World Championships Mar 17-19
1st Leg Southern Triple Crown- Wetumpka AL. Feb 24-26
2nd Leg SOuthern Triple Crown- Rome Ga. Mar 24-26
3rd Leg SOuthern Triple Crown- Pensacola FL. Apr. 21-23
1st Leg IBO National Championship Triple Crow Bedford IN May 19-21
2nd Leg IBO National Championship Triple Crown McKean Pa June 16-18
3rd Leg IBO National CHampionship Triple Crown Nelsonville OH July 7-9

Any five events.
Some shooters do shoot all eight. Many shoot six of the eight to have a throw away score, in case of a bad score from an event.
A lot shoot the five events to qualify.
A strong score over the five shoots will give a pretty good measure of where a shooter ranks in many different conditions.
It also allows shooters from a greater geographical area to participate in a similar participatory format.
ken12

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Milton
The SOY winner shot 7 for 357 and like you said if Jim would have shot in more shootsit would have been his, and me with the 356, it would have still been Jims. I also just recived a call and that person has told me that in March the IBO board is going to use the northern triple crown to decide who goes to 3di. That person also told me that the past two teams were picked from the northern triple crown. So any way I still feel it needs to be in writing and then we can be done with it. I wont be able to attend the most shoots and even if I were to make 3di , Milton I could not attend ,for like you said this fat and sassy guy wont fly ,so inless they can boat me over it wont happen. But I do wish my friend Jim and Randy the best in this 3di and I just want it settledthen we can get to the shooting part of this game. So I guess its a 99% done deal about the selection of the 3di team from what I was just told.
Bill 3dchamp

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ALL I WANTED WAS TO FIND OUT THE RULES SO I COULD PLAY IN THE RIGHT GAME. WHEN THEY COME OUT WOULD SOMEONE PLEASE LET ME KNOW. IT'S TO EARLY TO PLAY OUTDOORS, SO I'LL PLAY INDOORS AND THY TO HIT THOSE FLAT WHITE X'S.


JIM

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Jim
I guess we did get alittle off track with this post, but I got tried off seeing all your posts going unanswered ,so I thought I would stir the pot to see if cream would come to the top. But anyway Jim good luck in MI. state fita champ this weekend.
Bill