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Gm54-120 08-17-2020 11:04 AM

Bots outnumber actual members 3 to 1, you know its a bad day for a forum.

Very sad too when it can so easily be stopped.

TN Lone Wolf 08-17-2020 11:19 AM

I'm doing my part! :D

TN Lone Wolf 08-17-2020 11:22 AM

Seriously though, block access to India and China IPs and most of those will be gone.

elkman30 08-17-2020 11:49 AM

It's been at least a 3-1 bots to member ratio logged in for the last several years and often it's even higher.

CalHunter 08-17-2020 05:20 PM

FWIW, most of the mods have brought this up to admin at one point or another. Admin doesn't as to delete any questionable members (read bots) unless they are spamming in posts. I'd rather just get rid of the bots but it isn't my or any other mods' call.

Gm54-120 08-17-2020 10:34 PM

Stuff like this is common in bot sigs.

Sexcams...honestly this is shameful they allow links like this in profiles

Ive seen everything from porn to illegal software, drugs and streaming sites in these sigs. The people with the power to stop it LET IT HAPPEN. How many members need to click a link with malicious software before it sinks in?

elkman30 08-18-2020 02:32 PM

I'm guessing that the link you quoted has malicious software. Your point is well taken though. It's sad when a website that should know better risks its' members getting malicious software when the links violate the rules anyways.

Gm54-120 08-20-2020 09:37 AM

The forum does not offer the ability to report a "profile". You can only report a member if they post unless im missing it. So the ONLY option is to PM a mod or admin. Well that is very time consuming and fills up your inbox fast. Not one mod or admin has even looked at the profile i posted. The user clearly has a link to a porn site in his profile.

The TOS is very clear about automated user creations being banned. Yet they let it happen so many times a day its pitiful. vBulletin software can easily be configured to "spam block" known sources of spam. Mods with the right permissions can remove every single one in a few seconds if they were allowed to do it. As an admin for a Xenforo based forum i know exactly how easily it can be done. Literally takes me a few seconds to ban, remove and stop any more trying to create accounts. Internet Brands OWNS this forum and OWNS the vBulletin software. There is not a single excuse in terms of software that this should happen 100s of times a day.....Its simple.....the 2 top "dogs" that get the final word here.....LET IT HAPPEN and by letting it happen they encourage it to happen over and over and over.

CalHunter 08-20-2020 11:23 AM

I don't disagree with anything you've said. Mods simply do not have those permissions so it rests with Admin. I've been gone for a bit but checked in today. That member is now permabanned with a note about porn. FWIW, this same basic issue was discussed quite a bit with Mods and Admin and one of the best mods actually resigned over it. The rest of the mods seem to be all over the page so to speak about the issue. Some have stated it's a problem and should not be allowed. Others have not said a word about it. Just a simple look at the mod forum is quite telling.

Gm54-120 08-20-2020 11:38 AM

I want to be perfectly clear about this.....I DONT BLAME THE MODS......You cant do what should be done without the permissions and tools to do it. As far as i know there are 2 guys that could stop it or at least bring it to a crawl. Ive looked at a couple other IB owned forums that dont have nearly as many of these bot names and the same guy is the top admin there also. Why he lets it happen here but not there is a complete mystery.

CalHunter 08-20-2020 11:44 AM

I honestly didn't take this as you were blaming the mods. I simply fleshed out the situation for members who might be wondering who was where on it. I didn't name individual mods as it doesn't serve much purpose. The lack of unity by the mods may or may not be a factor in how Admin treats the issue. I agree on the puzzling behavior when other IB owned forums are examined. The answer is likely somewhere on the backend of things, i.e. does specific hits bring in ad revenue versus member #'s. Maybe both for all I know.

Bocajnala 08-20-2020 01:23 PM

We've tried. We went on strike for a while. We had a great mod step down.

And we were told as long as they are not posting spam on the forum, they aren't a problem. Several of us spent allot of time deleting, looking for, blocking ip addresses and domain names (I think that's correct) so just to realize we wanted our time (allot of time)

Trust me when I say this has been a frustrating issue for some of us for a long time. Ultimately my choice was to stick around and try to continue to improve HNI and to ignore these profiles unless they post spam and need deleted.

Right? Wrong? I don't know. But I chose to stick around and do my best.


elkman30 08-20-2020 05:27 PM

Thanks for having our backs as a lot of the stuff you guys are talking about was not widely known by members. Sad that Huntingnet would stoop to this.

CalHunter 08-20-2020 05:52 PM

Just to clarify, I don't know of any mods that openly support porn links on HNI and even admin has not supported porn links. Like Jake said, a few of us work to remove them as best we can.

JW 08-21-2020 06:52 AM

At some point even us Mods are tired of running into a brick wall.

Really ought to change to

I spent hours going through the member base and found quite a few so called soft porn links. They where deleted. But not stopped.
Your Moderator group (those that choose to stay active) do the best they can with the system permissions granted to us.

I've also stated many times to our Admins to clean up the Modetator list as many listed have not logged in in years!


Gm54-120 08-21-2020 07:20 AM

Our software has an option called "spam clean" which removes all posts, bans all those accounts with the same email, checks IP against creation date and removes them. Then rejects anymore from that IP and email. It also checks the IP against black listed sources known for spamming. Now i know HNI bans Tor exit nodes. Ive tested it personally. So site admins can ban unsecured proxies which are very often spam sources.

This aint rocket science. IB owns vBulletin and can EASILY implement these features.

elkman30 08-21-2020 10:17 AM

This pretty much sounds like it all points back to Admin. Funny how they choose to allow it on HuntingNet and not on other IB owned sites. Makes you wonder.

CalHunter 08-21-2020 10:29 AM

It is Admin's call and definitely above a Mod's authority. I don't know that HNI could preempt all spam but I definitely think they could prevent a lot more of it.

Gm54-120 08-26-2020 09:24 AM

A while back i had a link in my sig link deleted even though i had no connection to the company. I just liked their rifles. Ive seen several others such as Knight Rifle and CVA links removed also from other users sigs.

10. Linking – Links to products and personal pages will be tolerated. You may not link to any direct competitor of or link to just advertise a product or service. We reserve the right to delete any link for any reason
Yet all the links in these bot sigs are allowed to happen. Allowing links in sigs can be changed through user permissions in the majority of forum software. I find it hard to believe that an Admin can not do this with the software the company they work for also OWNs the software company that makes the forum software. Therefore they want it to happen because it can easily be stopped at the admin level. Now ive never seen the back end of the IB in house admin panel but i have seen the retail versions of the software. I know it can be enforced in those. It can even be set to require a certain post count before you can add links to anything.

Something like this is available to admins in the retail versions of vBulletin. I would be amazed if its not in the IB in house version of the software.
AdminCP > Usergroups > Usergroup Manager > edit Usergroup > Signature Permissions > Allow Link BB Code
AdminCP > Usergroups > Usergroup Manager > Edit Usergroup > Signature Permissions > Can Use Signatures

This solution is SIMPLE and removes the chance of a real member/user clicking a link to a malicious website. I just cant imagine why having a 25 post count requirement to post links, a sig or a sig link is a problem. Its actually common on many forums. It puts an end to ad bots and if they post a mod can deal with them.

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