PGC $ Woes??? what gives?????
 

On 3/11/05 the PGC posts on their website a press release stating $2,000,000 Fed. money given for special projects.....3/13/05 headlines in the local newspaper quote Vern Ross as saying the PGC will need to cut special projects as well as other programs because they (PGC) is $3,000,000 short of fiscal year finaces
hmmmmmm...... I wonder if this latest ststement has anything to do with making up some of the $900,000 in employee benefits the PGC is short of this year? OR if it is a ploy to get the general backtag lic. increase the PGC has been requesting for the last few years?????

THIS is one reason the USP is the PGC watchdog !!!!!

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Typically any grants/money from the Federal Government and even private organizations are earmarked for specific uses or projects. The money you posted about is probably for a specific use and cannot be used where the 3 million shortfall is. If you post a link telling about the 2 million in federal money we can sort this all out.

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IT HAS BEEN A FEW YRS SINCE AN INCREASE I WOULDN'T MIND A 2-3 DOLLAR INCREASE..... AS LONG AS THE MONEY IS BEING USED FOR THE PGC AND IS USED FOR THE HUNTERS....

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I doubt anyone minds an increase like that, but I would think the majority does mind an increase without proven results on deer management. Not even the Head of the House Game & fisheries will support an increase 'til the PGC decided just what the heck they are doing with deer management.

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Like I said above, the $ is for specific projcts.
Pennsylvania Game Commission Executive Director Vern Ross and Pennsylvania Fish and Boat Commission Executive Director Douglas Austen today announced nearly $2 million in federal monies will be available soon for high-priority conservation projects for endangered, threatened and at-risk species across Pennsylvania.

These federal dollars are being made available to the two agencies through the State Wildlife Grants Program (SWG), which is administered by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, and are designed for species of special conservation concern.

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let's se if there will be any adverse comments now that T in Pa has clarified???

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There you go again, T!

Once again, you've taken a thread started with meaningless drivel an
half-truths and done gone and messed it all up with the facts!

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FACTS! Yes that what we want, No more beating around the bushes, And their fuzzy math.

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lost horn: let's not forget the PGC gets such accurate deer harvest counts from visiting butchers and report cards.....yeah;) that is presice counting isn't it?
You'd be a real trouble maker to ask the PGC for those "facts"

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Yes I remember when they started that it was when they started calculateing the harvest it started in 1985, I think they did it by counting the gun shots they heard on the first two days of the season. If you remember they doubled the auctal harvest that year.

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Lost Horn: here's a "fact" the PGC told us hunters: 3 years in a row of record anterless harvest yet the herd increased in size. Now !!! they say "maybe we should wait till a count is done to determine if what hunters are saying is true"
What were they using for research for those "facts" before the count?

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Audubon, DCND, The streight tree growers, You know the list is a lot longer, That's where their facts came
from.

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Seems to me I recently read were a society of professional wildlife biologist review the method the PGC used to calculate deer harvests and it was widely accepted. Now if I could just find that article so I could link to it.

Dang, missed all the fun again. :D

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I think I saw that article, It was by Gary Alt And Gary AltIII, I will see if I can find it.:D

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Stick around a few minutes, It'll happen again.

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no one can say I don't speak my mind and I don't keep a moderator in my hip pocket to do it either:D

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And you are perfectly content running from computer to computer talking to yourself!:D No wonder you are in such good shape for an older guy!! LOL!!!

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Not again[:-]

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I gotta admit I think fishers,otters,and other animals being reintroduced is neat but I'm not sure it's a good idea to use hunter's funds to pay for these non hunted animals.Or maybe the money comes from somewhere else?

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I have no problem with projects like fishers,otters, saw whet owls, etc. that is why we have the PGC. But I do have a problem with how the deer mangement is going, it is exactly hunters dollars being spent there, not timber company $ not flower sniffer $ not hikers $ but hunters $!
And the MAJORITY of hunters want to see more deer! and could care less about mythical big racks programs that never panned out at the expense of mass doe kill offs!

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U,I also disagree with the current deer program but how do we tell the DCNR there should be more deer on their land?I agree the gamelands shouldn't be in the sorry state they are today as far as deer numbers but we pay for those lands.However SGL's make up a very small percentage of the land in Pennsylvania so how do we tell the other land owners they should have more deer?

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You are exactly right Germain. Hunters pay for game lands and should have ultimate control of their management. DCNR lands are another story. we as hunters should have a voice there but we are only a small percentage of the general public and cant dictate what happens on DCNR land or USFS land. BTW, has anyone noticed that the PGC doesnt sell DMAP tags for game lands?

Guys like Uly can spout all they want and as loud as they want about representing the majority of hunters but the facts just dont support their retoric. It still appears that the vast majority supports the deer plan.

I do also believe that the 2B guys deserve an answer if the survey and kill figures indicates the herd is at less than goal this year.