Questions on QDM in NY or PA
 

I was wondering how well QDM really works. I see NY is starting to experiment with the idea but is it worth it. I've read some articles that say it's been good for PA but it seems some hunters dont like it. Has it helped PA deer hunting? What about deer that never grow big racks, wouldn't that allow them to breed more and create more bucks that cant be hunted under QDM rules.

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Oh boy.;)

The problem is what is being practiced in Pa,isn't really QDM.

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Oh boy o boy!
Some people's reaction =,
others =

Since you are new to this forum, just scroll through the posts and look at anything that has "PA" in it.

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OK. I figured I'd get that reaction. I have noticed that some members can't discuss things with out losing all control. But if you don't ask, you wont know. I just hope that everyone realizes that hunters being divided for what ever reason is not good. Weather we agree on things or not, hunters should stick together before everything goes down the sh!ter

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Everyone is giving you that reply because this subject has been riden hard and beat to death here!The opinions will very from "great idea" to "this is the dumbest idea on earth."I geuss I'll give my answer,I personally like the idea,BUT I don't wish the state to mandate my wishes and practices on the whole state.Some hunters are not concerned with shooting a large buck,they hunt for meat and the sport of hunting in general,that fine by me![:-]

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Charlie P is exactly correct,

The state of Pa can't possibly institute full blown QDM statewide. As many have pointed out here, it's most effctive when practiced on a smaller scale. Pennsylvania is attempting to more properly manage deer numbers with habitat and restore buck doe ratio's to a more natural number. It'll never be true QDM over any area as big as a state including Pa or NY but any large area can be better managed by applying some QDM principles within the limitations of habitat, hunter pressure and landowner concerns. Pa is trying to undo years of mismanagement and years of developing the wrong mentality among deer hunters as a whole. The concept of "any buck is better than a doe" just won't die with a few.


In on sentence. It aint perfect yet, probably never will, be but it's better than it was.

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Thanks for the input. After hearing things about PA deer hunting and the PGC, QDM kinda had me worried. I dont want to see NY make the same mistakes if thats what they are. BTBowhunter, good luck with your evil twin.

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Thanks NYMAD1

Hopefully other states can learn from PA's pioneering the way. Including learning from our mistakes.

The evil twin is evil but harmless. Kinda like PETA, no one pays any attention to the fanatics. Harmless and mildly amusing.

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NY, QDM, does work if properly applied. There are alot of factors involved with proper QDM. You must have a positive, and determined attitude, in order to succed in QDM. Herd genectics, quality food sources, and herd manegement, are major factors in having excellent QDM. After my move, I plan on doing some QDM on my family land. I have been reading many articles and a book called "Grow Em Right" , which have pointed me in the direction of proper manegement. It can be done, and Pa and NY should look into these practices

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I agree with Charlie - a 3 pt/side antler restriction has nothing to do with QDM. I would guess at least 1/2 the 3 pt/side bucks in our area are 1 1/2. Many of the remainder are still only 2 1/2 and still far from both maturity and potential.

Total points are not even close to being an indicator of maturity. Those that want to see true mature deer make this much harder than it needs to be. Don't shoot the younger ones and encourage and educate others to do the same. DO NOT try to force the trophy mentality on the majority of hunters who get out a few days a year, hope to see a few deer, and maybe get the chance to take one.

Steve

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It's absolutely true that antler points are not completely reliable when judging maturity but before AR we were mowing down 85-90% of our 1 1/2 year old bucks with their first set of horns. No system intended to let bucks age will be 100% effective on a statewide basis and no one in the PGC said it would. The goal is to let some portion of our bucks live an extra year or two longer than we used to. That has been successful. It aint near perfect but it has been an improvement.

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That is absolutely not true and I challenge you to provide one PGC stat That supports that false and misleading claim. If that were true it would have been impossible to harvest 52.6K ,2.5+ buck in 2002 ,which was the first year of AR.

AR's increase the harvest rate for 2.5+ buck, thereby decreasing the percentage of 3.5+ buck in the herd. There has been no data provided to date, by the PGC, that shows AR improved the age structure of our buck herd.

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Yo dude, now you know what "O boy!" means. Another fruitless and mind-numbing thread has been started on a subject where nothing is being said that hasn't already been said 10 times. But you're relatively new to the board so you asked.

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Thanks dude, I'll try to keep that in mind. But I don't recall "making" anyone respond to this thread. If it's something thats fruitless, mind-numbing and dicussed 10 times over then ignore it. Oh boy, here we go.;)

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What we have in PA. is not QDM, It called anti hunting, When you wipe out the number one animal in the state you wipe out the hunters, The anties are winning in PA.

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I believe QDM is a fad that will not be around within 5 years in NY nor PA. QDM will NOT work here up North. Decimating the herd with "doe" permits and then factor in yotes, and vehicles, won't be any left to manage. Change is good in certain situations, QDM is not. Where I live, several neighbors got together and started QDM 5 or 6 years ago.. you know what, they post their land heavily. I talk to all of them and they think it is working. They tell me about all the does they kill and sub trophy bucks they pass on. Before QDM they always killed several 8 and 10 pointers. No B&C nor P&Y bucks killed to date since they started QDM. Oh yeah, they do all that food plot stuff and sanctuaries... Hell, they post their land so heavily the whole 1000 acres are sanctuary and still no B&C or P&Y buck. I'm still asking them to show me proof. You might say the big boys are hiding. I spot all the time during the summer and Fall when the big boys are together and I haven't seen any B&C nor P&Y buck yet!