it is amazing/curious how much the words "truth" and "fact" get thrown around here.
just another observation

There in lies another major bone on contention. He shouldnt have been allowed to go to outside sources for the funding. Do with what you have not take money form those whos interest isnt with hunters. [:@]

when you take $ from flower sniffers for hunting reasearch you are pretty much telling the hunters you work for you are not worthy of the job!

That was my first reaction too. But maybe we ought to be thankful that the flower sniffers decided to work with the PGC and Gary Alt instead of the animal rights wackos. What if the timber companies, tree huggers, farmers etc etc get tired of hunters wanting too many deer and decide to fund some wacked out deer contraception plan instead. Think it cant happen? Put enough money behind todays science and it eventually will be feasible. If we dont become part of the solution, we will get stomped on as part of the problem.

Tell that to your fellow archers who have been relying on the rifle hunters to control the herd ,while they hunted for their trophies. The antlered to anterless PS ratio is around 1:5 ,but the archery harvest B/D ratio is 1:1. If archers were the least bit concerned about balancing the B/D ratio our harvest rate would be one buck for every five anterless deer harvested.

DD well said the archers have failed miserably at harvesting does...too many of them proudly announce Oh I hunt the 2 weeks in Nov during the rut that's when all the big old mossbacks are out chasing the doe...maybe if I kill one I can get someone to think I'm a big shot video archer too!

wingbar, last week when you were ulylsis what ever you were. you said shoot a button buck let a doe have twins. Now you are bashing bowhunters for shooting only nice legal bucks when their easyist. You have a short memory.

BT still stand behind what I say. You can not take money from outside sources and try to hide where it came from. The PGC has been less than honest with the hunting faction in PA for far to long. We have the right to know what goes on and if they feel that outside money is to be used then explain why or dont do it. Why should the PGC allow money from those who want less or more for that matter of something to be used? I hear what you say about the timber cos. and such yes it could conceviably happen but taking outside funding to foot the bills and fund studies still isnt right. Dr. Alt and the pgc have done more to divide the ranks of hunters the past 4 years than any non hunting organization out there. I for one feel thats just plain wrong. Will everyone agree with deer management not in my lifetime or even maybe my kids but we are at the point where our ranks are being divided more and more and we dont need it. As for my syance on it dont feel AR was needed and as for HR fine in areas that needed it. As of yet there hasnr\t been much tweaking on anything as was stated there would be. The only things I have seen are allowing AR in sra which imho is asinine. The PGC admits to not being able to control the herd in them yet by adding more deer to mix is counter productive. The wmus need to be refined more to start getting the areas that need more reduction better defined. The hard thing with that is most of those areas are in private hands and as such wont be easy to do.

Hey wait a second here guys,I resemble that remark.
I love archery hunting.

WW: nothing wrong with my memory, my UNCLE though has his issues with any doe kills. I couldn't care less about the doe that are killed in WMUs that are over populated. But just as Unc Uly said, it is time some idiots open their eyes to WMUs other than where they hunt, some are defentily over populated just as some are under populated.
Archers have not been getting it done as far as doing their share of doe,harvests where needed. Basically what you have is a 6 wk season where hunters are waiting for a buck assuming they can get out with the ML or gun and kill a doe or two.
All hunters should be forced to EARN a buck by killing a doe first. That would put an end to these wannabe Jay Gregorys out there!