It Ain't the Lack of Deer
12-07-2004, 02:22 PM
#11
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 5,716
RE: It Ain't the Lack of Deer
Chickory
Aliens and moon beams - that was classic.
You all must agree, the weather this buck season has been less than ideal. I didn't hear nearly as many people crying about a lack of deer in bow season, when the weather was right. Face it, high temps, rain, wind, etc. does not make for an ideal hunt. Nonetheless, I do think that certain areas are getting beat to death by the orange army, and the critter populations there are taking a hit.
So you can spin some tale of aliens, moon beams, ESP for bucks, but the bottom line is that in the smaller herd there will be smaller harvests. It is no mystery.
You all must agree, the weather this buck season has been less than ideal. I didn't hear nearly as many people crying about a lack of deer in bow season, when the weather was right. Face it, high temps, rain, wind, etc. does not make for an ideal hunt. Nonetheless, I do think that certain areas are getting beat to death by the orange army, and the critter populations there are taking a hit.
12-07-2004, 02:31 PM
#12
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 7,208
RE: It Ain't the Lack of Deer
I thought it was rather nice. beautiful cold to mild on the opener, no wind.
Same thing just a little warmer the 2nd day
1st saturday cold, but nice again, just a mild breeze.
Those are your 3 biggest days and they were beautiful hunting weather.
Same thing just a little warmer the 2nd day
1st saturday cold, but nice again, just a mild breeze.
Those are your 3 biggest days and they were beautiful hunting weather.
12-07-2004, 03:19 PM
#13
Join Date: May 2004
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RE: It Ain't the Lack of Deer
where I hunt the weather has been ideal. But I'm sure some want to try and blame lower harvests on the weather rather than face reality.
Last year it was snowy and windy the first day, and they said it caused a lower harvest. Now this year it was not windy and not snowy and people are saying that lowered the harvest.......???
Time to face reality guys...... it ain't the weather. It ain't moonbeams.
Last year it was snowy and windy the first day, and they said it caused a lower harvest. Now this year it was not windy and not snowy and people are saying that lowered the harvest.......???
Time to face reality guys...... it ain't the weather. It ain't moonbeams.
12-07-2004, 03:34 PM
#14
Join Date: Sep 2004
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RE: It Ain't the Lack of Deer
All I know is I've spent a lot of time in the woods this year and walked a lot of miles. Here's what I have seen.
3 tails
1 up close
All FOUR were ALONE!!!!
Three years ago, I would be sitting in one spot all day and see a group of 9 deer with one shooter buck in the bunch. Ten minutes later, two deer run by, a 4-point and an 8-point. Thirty minutes later, 14 doe walk by. Do you see where I'm getting at here??? The herd is being EXTERMINATED!!!! Thanks Dr. Alt
3 tails
1 up close
All FOUR were ALONE!!!!
Three years ago, I would be sitting in one spot all day and see a group of 9 deer with one shooter buck in the bunch. Ten minutes later, two deer run by, a 4-point and an 8-point. Thirty minutes later, 14 doe walk by. Do you see where I'm getting at here??? The herd is being EXTERMINATED!!!! Thanks Dr. Alt
12-07-2004, 05:08 PM
#15
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 2,175
RE: It Ain't the Lack of Deer
hunted hard in 2 days i saw one doe alone. 2 bear. this was in sproul forest near kettle creek. last year was similar. in the past 10 seasons its only getting worse. im in my stand from sun up till sun down. new jersey statewide muzzleoader opens the same day so now i will do that instead. no problem seeing deer there!
12-07-2004, 08:43 PM
#16
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Central PA
Posts: 2,299
RE: It Ain't the Lack of Deer
What is the percentage of does taken each year? Cardeer, once again...I agree with you 100%. We are whacking a ton of does now, many of which are being bred by bucks, some of alpha bucks. The hunter then shoots that doe, thus eliminating the genes from that buck. It has happened all along, but I think its a more prevelent now.
Yes, I feel the buck harvest will continue to dwindle. The ones killed with be nicer racks, but there will be far fewer bucks taken. Fewer surviving does with yeild fewer new bucks into the herd the following year.
Simple math.
Yes, I feel the buck harvest will continue to dwindle. The ones killed with be nicer racks, but there will be far fewer bucks taken. Fewer surviving does with yeild fewer new bucks into the herd the following year.
Simple math.
