RLong

Sept 1st is very do-able.

BTBowhunter

Hey Ralph, could we have found some common ground? sept 1 is a great idea but maybe it would be even better if that was either doe only or maybe an "earn a buck" early season. (can't shoot a buck till Oct 1 or till you turn in a doe AT A CHECK STATION, whichever comes first) Check stations arent that hard to implement. In WVA for instance, many convenience stores in deer country are check stations. They do it to draw people to the store, not because they get a big fee from the Game and fish people.

Buck Magnet

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Good Luck This Season: Buck Magnet
P.S. Only Chuck Adams can sit at home and see deer so get into the woods. =;^)

Ledgen LS

make sure you know what you are agreeing to. sept 1st opener for any weapon not just archery.But MZ,rifle,archery,crossbow as well; and for doe only. and only in deer troubled areas. Not statewide and not without smaller units. OR you can bet old Alt will have the current county anterless guidelines if he's given a chance.
Then oct-nov crossbow and regular archery combined for a buck with a canceled doe tag, in damaged areas. Rest of state buck only. A buck& doe gun season only in troubled areas with buck only in units with low deer numbers already.
As long as we're all dreaming why not throw in a biologist that knows something about deer,and listens to the hunters ,too?

PABuck_HNTR

Ever walked in the woods in early Sept? Talk about wondering where all the deer are, you wouldn't be able to see 50 yards in front of you,not to mention the noise, the the next year you'd be crying &quot;see I told you all the Deer were killed off&quot; What about hunting accident for an earlier season? Can't see whats beyond 50 yards could cause more accidents. Just a thought.

BTBowhunter

Once again it seems that the only thing Mr Ledgen/Lochorns is committed to is anything to keep us at odds with one another Did anyone else here think they were agreeing on any weapon starting sept 1? Lets take it from the top. First, if we are to kill more does (some may disagree with that, but it seems that the guys in power want it that way and I happen to agree) it's only fair that we should ALL have more expanded hunting oportunities. It should happen while we work towards smaller DMU's and a more credible count so that anyone concerned about accurate numbers has an opportunity to scrutinize them more than they can now. Second, I think that most reasonable hunters understand that it would be fair to let the guys with the most restrictive yet non disruptive weapons go first leading up to the most effective/disruptive weapons. (start with spears and end with machine guns LOL) Seriously, I prefer the compound bow, I wouldn't mind the recurve /longbow guys having a week or so before me because they are least likely to disrupt or negatively affect the deer for the rest of us. Follow them with all compound bows. Then the ML's and/or crossbow guys and end with the rifles. I'm beginning to think we all would be able to be more agreeable here without one spoiler continually stirring things up and twisting whats been said. One things is for certain. We obviously have a group, with the exception of one and maybe an alias or two, that cares very deeply about these issues. When people care deeply about something it's hard not to get frustrated and maybe occasionally step on one another in the process. To those I've inadvertently stepped on I apologize.It's only cause I care as much as you do. To those whom I feel stepped on me and others, I respect your right to express your views even if I may not agree.I know you care too... On the other hand,I just wonder how a clever PETA mole might behave on a forum like this?!?!

BTBowhunter

I believe I said expand opportunities for ALL hunters. We are all in this together and if more deer need to be killed, then we should all gain opportunities. Not just any one group.

RLong

I am in full agreement for a Set 1st ARCHERY SEASON. Not in any way shape or form for an &quot;any weapon&quot; early season. Sorry. I see no reason why the archery season shouldn't be Sept 1st-Feb 1st. No biological reason either.

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I don't see a real need for check stations to be honest. I think requiring a &quot;report card reciept&quot;, filled or not, to purchase your next years license. It would cost the mailing and processing of the reciepts. Much cheaper, and incentive to comply.

I think each tag should be bought with a stamp personally. It should include a buck and a doe tag. And the doe first rule could be applied in those &quot;smaller and necessary&quot; areas only.

Ralph

BTBowhunter

Hi Ralph,
Agreed about the tags. The main reason O think check stations ought to be tried is that the PGC has done an abysmal job of gaining credibility with their numbers. Whether their numbers are accurate or not, there are obviously a number of hunters out there who don't trust them. I just think the check station idea might put that problem to bed. WVA checks every deer abd I'm pretty sure that they don't pay the check stations more much more than that postage free card we now have costs the PGC. If not check stations, maybe your idea would be ok but maybe more vigorous enforcement of the rule is needed too. In all my years I know of one guy fined for not reporting his deer. (Deputy found the number part of his tag that had ripped off in the woods on a rainy day and came to his house just itchin to write a ticket and that was the only ticket he could come up with.
BTW, I don.t really want crossbows either but would rather see them than rifles in early archery season! Heck, put em in with the smoke poles and call it a primitive weapon season!

BTBowhunter

Terry, once again you have a short term memory problem. I said a number of times that I support an erly doe kill. I also said I would go along with an early rifle season to do that but, of course, I can think of ways I'd rather see it done. Again I'll say that archers are 1/3 of our ranks but don't yet account for nearly 1/3 of the kill. I believe you've claimed to be a bowhunter. If you're not and you're jealous of the time we get in the woods go get yourself a bow and take advantage of it. At 80+ I can't imagine a doctor who wouldn't sign off on a crossbow permit for you if you can't manage a bow anymore. besides, your previous posts indicated that you don't want a early kill off. Now you say that we need a Sept 1 rifle season to do just that? Maybe you said that under one of your alias's and forgot we know who that was. Once again, it seems controvesy is the only thing you really beieve in. Cotroversy among hunters IS good for the PETAfiles.