BTBowhunter

Would it be fair to say that insurance companies will make sure they charge consumers for any possible claim? We all pay lots for our auto insurance because auto accidents occur frequently. If you open a fireworks factory you can rest assured that you're gonna pay a lot for fire insurance.
There is a reason that farms and vacant land is very cheap to insure for L-I-A-B-I-L-I-T-Y.... because claims dont happen very often on them. When some bloodsucking leech can manage to get a multi-million dollar settlement for some old lady that spilled hot McDonalds coffee on her lap, we all tend to get gunshy about liability. In the real world though, when it comes to landowners allowing hunters on their land, liability is not a problem. If it were even a small problem, wouldn't the insurance companies use it as an excuse to charge farmers an arm and a leg for insurance? Terry and I don't tend to agree on much but he agreed with me that insurance doesn't cost the farmowner/landowner much. The reason is simply that claims just don't happen often.
Once again, landowner liability when it comes to hunting is basically a myth.

Ledgen LS

Bt my 1 and only piece of free legal advice to you; The law does not decifer between acts of confluence, ( how the property, in this case the lands)are used. The legislate is used not how used. Lawful or not , legal wavier or not. BTW a signed release of liabitly has about as worth as a flat tire. None!
The fact that property owners can add a rider onto thier policy at a low rate is as you say. Because incidents per policies are indeed low. But don't fool yourself regardless of if these incidents are low in number or not. In the event one should take place on your property insured or not, regardless of the tort you carry on it. The deeded owner or the leasee or both are indeed liable.
BT I'm pleading with you. PLEASE send me your street address. PLEASE! and we can let the courts decide if ANY PROPERTY owner regardless of 1/4 acre or 300 acres is LIABLE for injuries incured on their land thru negligence. Oh you say negligence now that's a different issue. Yeah right! Ask your attorney negligence is one of the easiest cases to win, in my racket if we got a good case of negligence the first phone call we made was to a hunting consultant to book a trip for ourselves.
BT do yourself a favor...stick to something you know something about. there's got to be something out there somewhere.

Pinwheel 12

LedgenLS-

I don't think telling us we are stupid or that we know nothing is fair, if you learned this arrogance at Law school I'm glad I didn't get into that field! Maybe you just had a weak moment................<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

I see the thread has about run it's course, so this is it for me. Good shooting to all, (till the next one!<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>) Pinwheel 12

Big Country

BT, better not let the Mrs. know people are asking for your address! Are you gonna get a date? I know, you`re gonna rent him one of those houses you own. Hey, one truthful thing, he did not even call it a law practice, he called it a &quot;RACKETT&quot;<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

BTBowhunter

Duh, I guess I done been told again!
Stick to things I know. Well, I know this thread is going nowhere just like Pinwheel said.

I think it was Mark who said something about remembering the serenity prayer in another thread....

Ledgen LS

Aw come on BT , I hope that feeble attempt was not your best shot at saving face. you were wrong and proven wrong once again. so go play with the tonkas now with your other 'lil playmates. At least you won't be giving false imfo out AGAIN that could get some poor guy in trouble!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pinny: Show me where I stated you're stupid or ignorant in the manner you implied. i reread my posts and so nowhere in them any such words. Please quote me those words from my posts. Though I do profess to say you have an ignorance of the law, that is true.
You,yourself imposed those feelings on no one but yourself.
Arrogance you bet I have it. I am able to boldly produce the facts as such. not try to pass off some half truth mumbo-jumbo as so called fact like a poll taken on these pages , as an example.

Edited by - Ledgen LS on 02/17/2002 07:26:32

BTBowhunter

I was not proven wrong. You tried to make landowner liability out to be a big problem. It is not. It is not because there is a solution, CHEAP liability insurance. Any landowner who doesn't carry it is just not very smart.
You tried to portray it as a big concern to landowners and it might be to a very few uninformed people. I simply sought to correct some misconceptions that would have been further perpetuated by your claims. Never said that it's impossible that a landowner coulkd be sued. It is so highly improbabale however that it is not a valid arguement for turning hunters away from ones property.
I hope the mods noticed that once again, you have resorted to a personal attack. To that I will not respond in kind.

Ledgen LS

the only time being libale isn't a BIG Problem ,as you put it is # 1 if you don't own the land # 2 if a law suit is settled for less than the cap on your insurance policy..and you figure from that day on you don't need indurance anymore..cause thsoe cheap rates won't be there ..your ins. company will drop you.

Pinwheel 12

LedgenLS-

You, yourself, being of &quot;extreme knowledge&quot; (of seemingly all subjects! <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>), must of course recognize the implications of INTENT. I may have on my part created a little ASSUMPTION, but I think we both knew where you were coming from. Luckily not everyone here uses your tactics, otherwise the Anti's would be sitting back laughing like the devil watching us hunters fighting amongst ourselves like kids on a playground, with no means to an end. Debate is one thing, attacks are another, no matter whether written or implied. Pinwheel 12

Edited by - Pinwheel 12 on 02/17/2002 10:40:12

Buck Magnet

Legend, do you get a kick out of questioning everyone? I wanted this post to be a non-bashing post, but you just couldn't resist it, could you? The only answers you have to points that contradict you are personal assults. Yue question everyone and their motives, how about this, how about I question you and your motives? Would you like that? Have you ever heard about treating others as you would want others to treat you. Your little &quot;I am the smartest person on this board&quot; act is getting old. Take a look at yourself, you do no good to this board, all you do is cause trouble.

Good Luck This Season: Buck Magnet
P.S. Only Chuck Adams can sit at home and see deer so get into the woods. =;^)