Pinwheel 12

BTB-

Thanks for the thoughts and I agree with you about a resident getting a tag first, it's the only way I would want it, there or anywhere else. I also do feel that by allowing either sex on the original Archery license/backtag it would be enough of an incentive to keep everyone there with their revenue(NR's) and at the same time allow the residents to pick up more of the extra doe tags, mainly because we NR's are only usually there for a week or so and would be plenty content with a either sex or a "earn a buck". One is great, two(one of each sex through earn-a-buck) would be superb! Plus, even if the PGC only allowed either sex this coming year on the original license, do you know how EASY that would be to initiate? basically change some wording and that would be it, when the tag is gone, it's gone, either sex. Of course the earn-a-buck would take a little more, but even that wouldn't be very hard to implement. And the NR's wouldn't gripe about an increase in cost of licensing as much with something along those lines, either.

And the residents get the rest of the extra doe tags! Fair? Everybody wins! <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle> Good shooting, Pinwheel 12

Edited by - Pinwheel 12 on 02/15/2002 14:44:43

445 supermag

Lochorns First I want to clear up is that I do not mind one bit about hunting public land. I like public land and the challange it brings. But I would not turn away to hunt private property at all either. I have been hunting public land my whole life and don't mind it one bit. I love and I mean love opening day of rifle season in PA with it sounding like a war it just gets me juiced.

I also feel that any farmer has the right to protect his or her land as they see fit and would never tell you what to do with it. I just feel that hunters are a great tool to help keep things with the deer population in check. I know you will say that you cant trust them but maybe you can really get to know some of them on a personal level or even interview them if you are worried about slobs.. But slobs are a part of life so we just have to be careful to weed out the bad ones. Hey I never meant anything like saying you couldn't manage or do what you think what is right with regards to your land so hope you didn't take it that way.

Pinwheel I really don't thing you need to explain yourself with regards to why you hunt or like to hunt. As long as we are all ethical hunters and follow the rules it doesn't really matter. I hunt for a lot of reasons. SO whatever you take out of it that is great. Enjoy the outdoors and sharing tradition with friends and family is a huge thing for me. I love when we all got together and went hunting as that was some of the best times in my life. SO renting a cabin with friends and family for a hunting trip is one of the many reasons hunting is a great sport. Just some of my opinions

Brian

Edited by - 445 supermag on 02/15/2002 15:07:28

Ledgen LS

you guys just don't get it,do you? The real reason about land being closed to tresspass seemsa to have skimed right over your heads. NO ONE not a single one of you even hinted at it. Let me spell it out for you real slow...L&gt;&gt;I&gt;&gt;A&gt;&gt;B&gt;&gt;I&gt;&g t;L&gt;&gt;I&gt;&gt;T&gt;&gt;Y&gt;&gt;. just like that guy that posted about needing to lock your doors now and not likeing it, it's just a way of life. Well now imagine letting a bunch of guys on your land all armed with some type of weapon, let them climb up trees and shoot at will in any direction. heaven forbid someone should fall and break a leg or worse. Bingo there goes another farm.
And you guys that spout about coming and spending a week or two hunting could care less with what our insurance rates cost us all year long.think about it. instal high tensile wire fence @ $5.00/ft around a sq. mile, yeah right. carry 100 million dollar liability insurance yeah right (try to get that when the insurance company knows your letting gun toting guys climb those trees) or manage the herd yourself....which would you pick?

Pinwheel 12

445-

Apologize about that, I do get to rambling quite a bit,<img src=icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle> especially when I feel strongly about something. I can take a hint however and am done, my points have been made.(sorry if too many times! <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>) Good shooting, Pinwheel 12

445 supermag

Pinwheel I hope you didn't mean that I was say anything against you as matter of fact I was defending you about you saying that you like to get with friends and family and rent a cabin. I am all for that. go do and have a great time that is what hunting is about spending time with others and matching wits with the great deer. Wow sorry about that i just felt that you were getting bashed a little for renting a cabin with friends. Nothing wrong with that. Sorry bud. I don't blame you for being pashionate about it. I am too and don't want anyone saying anything about who or why I like to hunt. I am all for ya.

Lochorns I now see your point. This could of been avioded if you spelled it out for me earlier. SO next time spell it out. Well I guess you could have them sign some kind of paper that states hunt at own risk with some other legal mumbo jumbo. Maybe I am wrong who knows or well.

BRian

445 supermag

opps double post

Edited by - 445 supermag on 02/15/2002 21:33:59

BTBowhunter

Lets clear up some misconceptions regarding landowner liability as it relates to hunting. There has been a law on the books for years SPECIFICALLY protecting landowners from liability when it comes to hunters on their land. Any lawyer could tell you that. As for liability insurance for farmers, I have a little inside knowledge here. First, liability insurance for farmowners is dirt cheap. The only time insurance companies ever care anything about hunting is when it's a commercial preserve charging a fee for that hunting. If you happen to own a bunch of land that is vacant and is not comercially farmed, most homeowners policies will extend the liability coverage from your home to that land for NO CHARGE.
Every once in awhile, the liability arguement comes up, but it doesn't stand up to the facts.

mhogan

Exactly right BTB. The only liabilty a farmer has for a hunter is if he has a un-natural hazard on his property that he was aware of and failed to warn the hunter about. This would be for things such as an un-marked well. His own negligence is his only legal concern.

Pinwheel 12

445-

No offense taken, my friend! I said what I had to say, and hopefully the PGC will see some of this thread and gain alot of input from it. Lots of good points that have been made from alot of hunters who have very strong feelings about the way our sport and deer management should be handled. Good shooting, Pinwheel 12

Ledgen LS

pinny & hogie 1st please tell me where you went to law school 2nd please tell me where you own some property. with your little knowledge of the law I could very well own it with one little slip.
To some degree you are correct,an insurance rider can be attached to a home/farm policy for pennies , there is a law that states the landowner is not liable for damage in civil court if someone he has given written permission to use his land is hurt or whatever. There is also a law that states that if a landowner posts his property against tresspass he is giving ( posting) an admission of danger. Knowing full well damage could be incured by someone using the land with permission or not.
there are many more laws written to protect the landowner/leaser. BUT!!! just as many are co-written to protect the injured. that is where we boys with the sheep skins come into play.
Should I venture onto your land and a hazard befalls me. Whom are you going to run to when they bring you that certified letter of legal action being brought on you....? PLEASE PLEASE represent yourselves!!!! My great grand kids need a house.
Once again your imfo is as close to the fact as a bald man can say he has some hair ( on his neck) truth in part but hardly in context.
Leave the legal wrangeling to those of us that took the time to learn the law an practice it. Or run the risk of selling street corner apples next to your cardboard box.
Hogie, did you ever wonder what I did as a full birdie? Now like Paul harvey says ...you know the rest of the story