NorthJeff

Just to comment on PA's new reg's, it's nice to see PA step up to the plate with the other 21+ states that have QDM regulations implimented in some form within their states.
It's working in all the other states in their respective areas, so PA should be commended for basing it's management techniques on sound scientific, proven research.

Good Job PA!

Jeff...U.P. of Michigan.

Buck Magnet

Lochorns, lets see what you have to say about this. Why should it be the duty of archers to harvest does???? I thought that archery hunting was supposed to be a fun and relaxing thing. Why should archers be forced to shoot a doe if they don't want to? What about the archer who only has one good spot to hunt, should he shoot a doe in that area and hope that it doesn't spook all the deer away from there? It seems like everyone is placing the fault on archers. What about rifle hunters? They could kill more doe. That would mean that more doe, and their fetus's inside them would die. I just don't understand how every problem with Pennsylvania's deer management problems gets pushed back on the archers, but rifle hunters can do no wrong. I hunt with both, I don't feel that I am doing something wrong when I hunt with either weapon. It is MY decision what to shoot and what not to shoot. The law says nothing about archers HAVING to shoot does, so how is it wrong when an archers passes up does for a big buck????

Good Luck This Season: Buck Magnet
"Hunting is not a sport, it is a passion, it is a WAY OF LIFE"

Gar-Shooter

Let me get this right? Archers are responsible for too many does? It wasn't all that long ago that total archer success in PA was less than 3% (Bucks and Does). That was when you could harvest a doe on your regular back tag in any county you bowhunted.

If an archer does not get a doe permit now for his/her respective county of choice, He/she cannot shoot a doe anyway. We have a buck only back tag with our regular license! I think it would be great if we could go back to the old tag you could use for either sex deer in archery season.

Once again, Lochorns, your logic has no merit!

Gar

cruiser

Nope, don't buy it, Give everyone a doe permit, and eferyone is happy, with the added bonus of everytone's else's agenda being met. Why it won't happen, it means loss of funds to every county in the state. You folks need to change the license structure, get the politians out of your back pocket, and get with a management plan that works!

Big Country

This is gonna hurt to say.....I agree with one statement that lochorns made. We, as PA archers(and myself included)have ourselves to blame for the possibility of a gun season for doe in october. For the sake of a healthy deer herd, more does need to be shot. I realize that there could possibly be improvements made in the way doe tags are made available, but every archer should buy doe tags for their area, and fill them. Alot of the archers do their part by filling doe tags, but a heck of alot of us do not! I have not taken a doe for more years than I can remember. Why? Because just like lochorns said, I am always waiting for a good buck. I have`nt helped to keep doe #`s down, but I sure have taken the bucks, thus further knocking the buck/doe ratio out of proportion. So, while some PA archers have a legitimate gripe about a gun season in october, I don`t have room to say a single word.
AR will help, and hopefully in the very near future, DMU`s will be implemented. And maybe guys like me will start shooting does.
Then the world will be a happy place.

445 supermag

BC I bet that hurt. LOL We ALL do need to help with the doe heard or things like this will happen. Like a rifle season in october.

Brian

BTBowhunter

We got maybe one more season to try and correct the situation before the rifles are brought in to OUR season. Pile up the does and get your buddies to do the same!<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>
It'll never happen you say? I've gotta admit I think it's a long shot too, but I felt that way the first time I heard a suggestion for a 6 week bow season extending into the rut just a few years ago!

Buck Magnet

Lets look at it this way. The hunter pays to hunt a deer with his bow, right? The hunter automatically has his buck tag when he gets his liscence, right? The Game Commission wants the number of doe to be lowered right? Then, here is a crazy idea. Why not have two antlerless doe tag sales? One, where they distribute the number of doe tags they want archers to kill, only to archers. Then, before rifle season, they sell the number of tags they want rifle hunters to kill? I know that it would be hard to do, but it would probablly be the best way. You aren't going to have too many hunters buying archery antlerless tags and passing up does. That would be the best system.

Good Luck This Season: Buck Magnet
&quot;Hunting is not a sport, it is a passion, it is a WAY OF LIFE&quot;

Pinwheel 12

Cruiser, you hit the million dollar jackpot. I believe you are correct, it's all about the money. Otherwise, I can see no reason why archers should not be able to hunt both on their original license to help with the admitted problem of overpopulation of does. THEN if they want more, go buy the additional available tags. Too simple.

As stated before, as a NR I have no problem with the PGC jacking up the cost of my original license to whatever the &quot;greed need&quot; warrants, provided that I know I can harvest either sex on my tag. This way there is no &quot;jumping through hoops&quot; or waiting until all doe tags are gone before being allowed to apply for one, or having to pass up immeasureable numbers of does while in stand, and wait until a 6pt comes by. Seems ridiculous to me. If you want to SAVE your bucks, and get rid of the does, WHY aren't you letting us TAKE a doe rather than FORCING us to shoot a buck? That 6 pt that I'm holding out for will be a nice 8pt next year if I take a doe home instead! Think about it. The whole thing doesn't make sense. And usually, like most things connected by greed and money, it won't get better anytime soon unless ALOT of people gripe about it.
I really don't feel we all have to be &quot;jumping through every hoop&quot;, and looking at the calendar for the &quot;day that I can apply, gotta mail it out THIS day so it get's there THAT day&quot;. I hunt other States and provinces as a resident and Non with very good systems in place, and this just seems all so unnecessary. Just my own thoughts, Pinwheel 12

BTBowhunter

BM I agree. (Look at my post above)
Arhers are 1/3 of our hunters. I'd guess that if we killed 1/3 of the does targeted there wouldnt be a need for a rifle season in October. If archery specific doe licenses in sufficient quanitiy don't produce that, then work in the inlines and crossbows. ONE STEP AT A TIME. I dont like either in regular archery season but they'd be the lesser of evils!