Jealous hunters
 

[:@] I have a stand in state woods that's produced very well over the past 15 years . I've hunted year after year either bow shotgun or blackpowder . I put my neighbor in there two years ago since he never shot a buck . Well he ended up getting a four pointer and was happy as a kid in a candy shop . He asked me if he could use it for opening day cause he was gonna bring my neighbors son with him. I said no problem . We went back there to mark his way to the stand only to find that some J.O. shot it all up and tried to cut the chains off . I did a walk around the area only to find another stand about 50 yards away. No big deal , but this is the A-hole that shot the stand all up. I'am sure of it cause he used linesmen boots to get up my tree and there is the same marks all up his tree . My question is how do handle something like this ? Fight fire with fire or just blow it off . thank god I'am hunting on private property this opener cause not too sure how I would handle it come monday morning.

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i would call your local game warden ,(he destroyed your property and the proof is there. )its not worth winding up in jail over and our sport needs all the positive feed back it can get . regardless of the a-holes .who do such s--- !

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man it's only a deer come on. I hunted spots all over in there and they all work at given times , but to try to shoot the stand apart is a bit out of control who knows what this guy might pull. he's not worth my time.

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Take the stand down and leave a note where to find it. This guy should not have destroyed your property. Good luck on Monday.

Bob

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Thats the risk you take when you put a stand on public ground. Its not 'your' tree my friend. Its everyones.

Now I'm not saying it was right for someone to destory your stand and then put one up 50 yds away. But I wouldnt have shed a tear if you had said that your rig was just wrecked.

Permanent Stands on public ground should be illegal. The fact you put a stand there and tried to claim the place as 'yours' is what causes all the problems. Stands on public ground should be carry in, and carry out. First come, First Served. One of these days Fish and Game will come to their senses and make 'No Permanent Stands' the law. Until then, they'll always be problems.

Just my 2 cents.

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your right about that it's not my tree. It was a portable stand that over the year has become not so portable . I have no problems with people hunting that same area for all it's state land . Hell three years ago another guy asked me where we were hunting and I explained where we were . He scouted the area out and hung a stand close by himself. He was gonna move it that morning and I said he was nuts it's state land just hunt it . Well I shot a nice six pointer in the morning and he and my brother helped me drag it out .They went back in that afternoon and he got a bigger six . My brother helped him drag it out and all was good . like you said it's state land not mine .

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It's called respect for your fellow hunter. I hunt state land also and time to time, I will come upon a stand that someone has hung in a particular area where I want to hunt. Yeah, it's not HIS tree but I respect him for scouting and finding that area, and I move on. I don't vandalize his equipment. As far as getting a game warden involved, I don't think that you will get anywhere. YOU know HE did it BUT you didn't see him do it. Hell, I caught a tresspasser one time, filed a complaint thru the local police, took him to court and he walked because I didn't have a witness! The guy told the judge that he wasn't on our property and I was the one that was on the property where he COULD hunt and the judge took his word over mine, and I caught the guy red-handed! If I were you, I would just chalk it up to experiance and find another spot.

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Well, abandon this site if you must. But before you do, try to determine the direction of the prevailing wind then discretely plant the scent of man and maybe dog downwind of his stand. Maybe a camo patterned bandana that you've sweated on all day or anything likely to retain the scent of a human for a long time. If you're feeling especially vindictive, plant a note on the tree telling him what you've done and invite him to find your "manscrapes".

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That's Right! We (hunters) have a hard enough time in keeping a good image with non-hunters, we don't need IDIOTS shooting up other hunters property. In my opinion the guy who destroyed your property in NOT A HUNTER! And he's definately NO SPORTSMAN!

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thanks fight4yourguns, thats exactlly the point i intended to get across

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Duckmastor, I can't believe you are trying, in a veiled way, to say this guy got what he deserved for leaving a portable stand on public land. Are you the type that shoots up someones stand? Just so you know, permanent stands ARE illegal on public ground. This guy had a portable stand hanging, and no where did he say he was trying to 'claim' a spot. I guess you got a good chuckle out of this fellow's stand being destroyed, at least from this quote we know it doesn't offend you any to have someone destroy another hunters property...
I've refrained from saying this is the past Scott, even when you have suggested even more violence and property damage to portable stands and the hunters who leave them in the woods. But even though I know and like your Dad, I don't think I would want to share a hunting camp with you. A true sportsman would be offended and pretty disturbed that one person destroyed anothers property. And a true sportsman should also be pretty offended that you would come here and post what you did.

Good luck, and please stay away from the public lands in NJ, let the true sportsmen enjoy them.

Doug

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Please go back and find me a quote in past posts where I suggested violence against hunters? I did say in an old post where I was threatend and forced to leave an area by portable stand hanging land hogs who werent happy that I had gotten to a public area before them one morning. The Stands made the woods 'theirs'. A behavior you whole heartedly condone.

Please tell me the page in the NJ Hunting Guide that states this. There are certain WMAs that you cant build permanent stands, but its not state wide.

I wont lose any sleep over it.

Oh, I'll be out there. But I have to admit, I've enjoyed hunting the public land here in DE this year alot more than I ever did in NJ. You see, here you arent allowed to hang portable stands longer than you hunt. This makes conflicts with land hogs a non issue.

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Found this in another post NJ. Now who condones violence in the woods? Wouldnt want to trip over the wrong side of the line by accident in the woods near you.

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Yes, I posted that Scott, but it was a response as to what could happen if someone, carrying a firearm, resisted arrest. You know I'm a police officer, and the entire post clearly stated that was the context of this statement. The fact that you take it out of context, and try to compare me using force to lawfully arrest someone who is resisting arrest, with your obvious pleasure in seeing someone's property destroyed perfectly illustrates my point about your ethics, or lack of them. And it also justifies my conclusions about your character.

You just don't get it. Damaging someone elses property, or stealing a stand is a crime, despite what you feel about a hunter leaving a portable stand in the woods. A police officer using the means necessary to subdue someone resisting arrest is not only the job, it's the right thing to do. How can you compare the two of them?

As for your 'tripping over the line' comment, if you want to be a trespasser, go ahead, but if you resist or attack a law enforcement officer who catches you doing it, you will find out I'm not the only cop who will use force, in the woods or out of them.

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For a cop, you do a hell of alot of accusing with no proof.

1) I've never damaged or stole a stand.
2) I've never knowingly tresspassed on anyone else's property. In fact, I stay as far as I can away from anyones property line.

The facts are, you and I have totally different opinions on the use of stands on public lands. You believe its ok to hang as many stands as you want and others should respect the time, effort and money you spent and stay away.

I, believe that by doing what you do, you are trying to monopolize public land for your own use. In my opinion, people like you are the problem. Just because I dont shed tears when your stands get ruined or disappear, doesnt make me the criminal. I just would never report it if I saw it. If that makes me 'unethical' in your eyes, so be it. Every stand you hang makes YOU unethical in my opinion, and Im sure you dont care about that.

As for the character issue goes, I'll state here infront of the entire viewing public that you scare me. That fact you boast about 'carrying extra handcuffs' into the woods to haul in violaters reaks of vigilantism.

This comment just makes me grin. Im sure one day, we'll meet up in zone 28 and 29 and we can discuss it further....

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Scott, you're pretty close here, but I don't hang stands to monopolize any area. We've discussed this before and you know I have more than one stand out there as a back-up spot. That is, in case someone else moves in a sets up on top of me, I have another place to go. That is called... leaving the spot to someone else and moving to another place,... not monopolizing anything.

So, in your view, I'm a "problem" and "unethical" because I hang a few stands prior to season, huh. Well buddy, you must have problems with just about every other law abiding hunter out there. By the rest of your post, it seems you also have a problem with police officers and landowners enforcing trespassing laws.

Scott, we've been through this many times before. It's obvious that you are not going to change your mind, and I'm not going to change what I do. I respect your opinion, until you get to the point of either explicitly or implicitly condoning the theft or destruction of another hunters property. In my opinion, the spirit of your initial post did just that. Since this is doing nothing constructive and only spiraling downward, lets just say that maybe that opinion of your initial post was wrong, and drop it.

Good luck.

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I do and I know Im in the minority but God willing, one day Fish and Game will see my side of the arguement. Until then, what you are doing is legal and I dont support efforts of those who destory or steal stands. I understand why it happens and I'm a sympathizer, I've said that before, but I dont participate. If that makes me a 'non sportsman' I can live with that.

I agree to drop it from here, but I stand by my inital post.

Good Luck tomorrow.

000, sorry if Doug and I distracted people from your initial post. Blasting your stand and placing a new one 50 yds away was wrong. At least the guilty party will be easy to find. What you'll do once you confront him/her, I dont know. Let us all know what, if anything, happens.

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Well my neighbor just hunted the stand as if nothing happened . One hour after shooting light the guy walked over and said he messed up his hunt. My neighbor replied that's funny someone tried to mess my hunt also. The guy asked if he was gonna be here all week and said yeap and blackpowder too. Then the guy said well there isn't any deer around here anyway . He walked about 20 feet and took a leak. funny thing was about an two later 3 does came up a smelled all around were he pissed . It's ashame one of them does weren't in heat. Well there is always tomorrow