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Lawsuit against game commission?
So why did the courts throw out the case? Im just curious. I bet they thought it was ridiculous. lol
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GAME COMMISSION HAILS LATEST COMMONWEALTH COURT RULING DISMISSING CHALLENGE TO DEER MANAGEMENT CASE
HARRISBURG – A Commonwealth Court ruling, handed down Feb. 8, has dismissed the Unified Sportsmen of Pennsylvania’s legal challenge to the Pennsylvania Game Commission’s deer management program, according to Carl G. Roe, agency executive director. This decision was the second ruling against Unified Sportsmen of Pennsylvania since 2007, when Commonwealth Court dismissed the organizations lawsuit on procedural grounds. Roe noted that, in its latest ruling, Commonwealth Court dismissed the lawsuit on the grounds that Unified failed to present evidence to support its case. As part of the ruling, the Court also cancelled the scheduled hearing that had been set for Feb. 28. “This court ruling is a strong statement that the Game Commission’s deer management program is being conducted in a sound and scientific manner,” Roe said. “In essence, Commonwealth Court’s latest ruling dismissed the challenge because it lacked merit. “Our hope is that this second ruling will cease the unnecessary expenditure of sportsmen’s dollars and tax dollars fighting frivolous and baseless lawsuits.” Roe noted that, since 2000, the Game Commission has worked to implement a deer management program that takes into account the concerns of all Pennsylvanians, and the agency has been consistent and open in its approach. “The deer management plan, which is available on our website, was developed with public input to improve the health of the state’s deer herd; to encourage healthy habitat, which deer and all other wildlife depend on; and to reduce deer-human conflicts,” Roe said. “We believe this deer management program will improve the health of our deer herd and the habitat that supports it and other wildlife. “From 2000 until 2005, we sought to reduce deer numbers in all Wildlife Management Units. From 2006 until today, except for our most urbanized WMUs – 2B, 5C and 5D – the goal for each of the other 19 WMUs has been to stabilize deer population trends or allow an increase in the deer population trends where habitat and deer reproductive data support such increases.” |
Foiled again PGC’s latest challenger on whiteail management has case thrown from court Mark Nale February 14, 2011 9:00am EST A Commonwealth Court ruling handed down Feb. 8 dismissed the Unified Sportsmen of Pennsylvania’s legal challenge to the Pennsylvania Game Commission’s deer management program.  View larger Another so-called “Deer Wars” battle is over, with the USP losing again. “This court ruling is a strong statement that the Game Commission’s deer management program is being conducted in a sound and scientific manner,” PGC executive director Carl Roe said. “In essence, Commonwealth Court’s latest ruling dismissed the challenge because it lacked merit. “Our hope is that this second ruling will cease the unnecessary expenditure of sportsmen’s dollars and tax dollars fighting frivolous and baseless lawsuits.” It has been over three years since the Unified Sportsmen of Pennsylvania initiated legal action against the game commission. In my humble opinion, the action was a squandering of that group’s funds, and a total waste of the game commission resources, as well as our tax dollars that had to be used in the defense. This was the second USP lawsuit claiming that the game commission was not managing the deer herd in the best interests of hunters or the deer. The earlier lawsuit had been quickly dismissed by the court. The Unified Sportsmen petition alleged that “the Commission failed in its duties and responsibilities to preserve and protect the deer herd for Pennsylvanians,” and “the Commission intentionally acted to destroy and diminish Pennsylvania’s deer herd below natural and sustainable population levels.” I read what they had claimed, and honestly, I did not understand why the second lawsuit was not also quickly dismissed. However, I am not a legal expert, and I guess everyone deserves his day in court. That day had been set for Feb. 28. Last November, I became a little concerned when I learned that the attorneys for both sides were discussing a settlement. Then I read the USP’s settlement demands as printed in the Nov. 19 issue of Pennsylvania Outdoor News. As reported, their 10 demands included closing all doe hunting on public land, ending antler restrictions, reimbursing the USP for all legal costs, increasing the number of wildlife management units, and stopping the PGC from issuing Deer Management Assistance Program permits on public land. Although the terms “sustainable” and “reasonable” were not defined, the USP also demanded that the commission “maintain a sustainable deer population on all public lands to provide a reasonable opportunity for all public-land hunters to harvest a deer.” In other words, with no science or factual basis for their claims, it seemed that the Unified Sportsmen wanted to manage the deer herd, instead of the agency that is entrusted with that management. After reading their demands, I knew that a settlement would not be in the cards. Whether you agree with the PGC or not, the agency could not and should not turn over control of deer management to a private group with no expertise. I was surprised when reading the 22-page court dismissal, which was released on Tuesday. The Commission alleged that the USP failed to produce a single expert who supported their claims. The court document mentions USP testimony from current USP president and former PGC commissioner Steven Mohr, former USP board chair Greg Levengood, chemist N. Charles Bolgiano and radio talk show host and outdoor writer Jim Slinsky. If I had been trying to discredit the PGC’s deer management program, I would have attempted to produce a series of wildlife biologists who would offer expert testimony refuting the PGC’s program. Very possibly, those experts do not exist, because the PGC’s program, although not perfect, is scientifically sound. So the USP settled for testimony from Slinsky. According to court documents, Slinsky referred to Pennsylvania concurrent buck and doe seasons as “annihilation.” His non-scientific estimate of the deer population across Pennsylvania is less than three deer per square mile. As I write this, 19 deer are feeding beside my house, and this is one of only several different groups that visit regularly. So I guess that, according to Slinsky, for some reason the deer from over six square miles of habitat have just decided to visit my “backyard.” Again, according to court documents, Slinsky stated that, “Pennsylvania’s deer management program is out of line with other states.” He also claimed that the program is based on “fraud and lies.” However, according to the Commonwealth Court opinion, despite Slinsky’s claim that he had interviewed “over 1,031 persons, including every major deer project leader in the country,” he offered no specific examples to support his claims. Judge Barry F. Feudale had some harsh words for Slinsky. “…Assertions such as those uttered by Slinsky that the commission based its program on ‘fraud and lies’ is the type of tabloid hyperbolic sound bite that lacks factual foundation and strains credulity,” Feudale said. He also admonished Slinsky for unfairly denigrating the Commission’s efforts as well as those of the Unified Sportsmen. USP vice president Randy Santucci reacted to the court’s ruling with a bit of disbelief. “Thousands of sportsmen invested tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees, watched this case get legal standing, and develop over 31/ 2 years. We resisted dispositive motions and delay tactics by the PGC, only to be dismissed 21/ 2 weeks before the hearing date,” Santucci said in an e-mail. “An opportunity has been lost, and the immediate perception now (justified or not) is that this late ruling does not pass the smell test. This needed to go the distance, so we could arrive at a decision based on presentation of all the evidence and expert testimony from both sides.” While attending the Commission meeting in Harrisburg on Jan. 31, I spoke briefly with — and ended up sitting beside — USP chairman of the board Wayne Haas, of Howard, and Santucci. I will not attempt any direct quotes here, but when the subject of the court case came up, their mood reminded me of two wolves circling what they thought to be a half-dead moose — the PGC. I will quote Haas’ Jan. 30 letter to the CDT, however. Referring to the Feb. 28 court date, Haas wrote, “The USP will disclose the PGC’s mismanagement to the court and take the final step in changing the PGC’s deer management program.” With the Feb. 8 court dismissal and a cancelation of the scheduled Feb. 28 court date, I guess that the moose recovered and kicked the hungry wolves in the face. What lies ahead for the USP is still being discussed within the organization. Santucci said, “The consensus of all directors I have spoken to is, that this is no more than another bump in the road that we have been traveling for the past several years. A bigger bump, yes, but it hasn’t bounced any of us out of the truck. Pennsylvania’s deer herd has reached critical low, if not un-huntable numbers, in many management units. That is what brought us to this point and it wasn’t changed by this ruling.” Read more: http://www.centredaily.com/2011/02/1...#ixzz1FrR0SfBl |
Thanks! Im glad they didnt win! I know alot of folks here in my area are embarassed with the way they go about things. They make us hunters look ignorant and uneducated.
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Originally Posted by bullmoose38
(Post 3782931)
Thanks! Im glad they didnt win! I know alot of folks here in my area are embarassed with the way they go about things. They make us hunters look ignorant and uneducated.
hunting 5 miles of woods and you see 5 deer or many miles with none.i dont mean dpsm mile ,i mean 5 miles of woods . most would be very happy to see 11 dpsm that they said we should have. |
I can see disagreeing with the game commission on this issue, but what was the damage going to be if the USP won?
Gotta' be careful what you wish for. What happens if the PGC goes belly-up? Then the DCNR takes over control of all the SGL? Then what? Bird watching and bike trails. Jogging and site-seeing. The PGC may not be perfect, but they beat the bunny huggers controling all the land. Heck, Rendell would have put casinos all over the SGL. |
Originally Posted by BarnesX.308
(Post 3783375)
I can see disagreeing with the game commission on this issue, but what was the damage going to be if the USP won?
Gotta' be careful what you wish for. What happens if the PGC goes belly-up? Then the DCNR takes over control of all the SGL? Then what? Bird watching and bike trails. Jogging and site-seeing. The PGC may not be perfect, but they beat the bunny huggers controling all the land. Heck, Rendell would have put casinos all over the SGL. you have to go back and see who and what lead up to this deer kill off. audobon has influence in pgc and dcnr.look at people who were behind all this. THEY ARE GETTING JOBS IN DCNR/FISH COMMISSION/USWILDLIFE ETC. YOU SAY ABOUT DCNR TAKING OVER.how about us as sportsmans paying license fees taking over? how about US picking the commissioners not DCNR/AUDOBON. how about US for once having voice in what is good for deer other game. we are losing.no doubt the dcnr has power.they have governors ear.so anything is possible. you have to watch EVELANDS info on youtube.watch his film and look at PLAYERS at end.these are people that got deer thing going and look at where they are now. dcnr is place they have gone too. |
The PGC may not be perfect, but they beat the bunny huggers controling all the land. |
Must be time
for another PA organizational fundraiser. They sure miss having any wildlife biologists on their staff. Must be all hunters. :sheep::sheep:
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Originally Posted by Valentine
(Post 3784403)
for another PA organizational fundraiser. They sure miss having any wildlife biologists on their staff. Must be all hunters. :sheep::sheep:
so we have to raise money to try to stop the system that is not putting our deer herds at very low levels. this is happening all over country too.not only in pa. why all of sudden that deer are hated animal in woods .its all money valentine and groups with money are after hunters. no deer,no hunters and AUDUBON and other nature people will have what they want. WOODS WITH NO ONE IN IT CONTROLLED BY DCNR .dont think for 1 minute if they could keep us out of woods and on DESIGNATED TRAILS ,they would not do it. |
Originally Posted by sproulman
(Post 3783360)
i am LIFE MEMBER OF USP.deer numbers are very low here in clinton county.dcnr does not like deer.all i want to see is at least the 11dpsm that they said we should have.
hunting 5 miles of woods and you see 5 deer or many miles with none.i dont mean dpsm mile ,i mean 5 miles of woods . most would be very happy to see 11 dpsm that they said we should have. I was also under the impression it was the Pennsylvania Game Comm. not the Clinton County Deer Comm.. They manage for the entire state and all of it's people, not just you and your county. It always seems to be about you, you, you when you post, why is that? Why so self centered? There are plenty of people who can find deer in Clinton county, why can't you? 10,400 people found deer in that unit. Are all the deer within 2G outside of the Clinton county boundaries, but still within the unit boundaries? I doubt that or the densities would be pretty high for the rest of the unit. I seriously doubt whether you'd know if you were standing within a 1/2 mile of a deer if there were 20dpsm let alone 11 or 5. And if you can you see for a half mile all around you, well then I can tell you from here why your not seeing any deer. Commissioners are not picked by the hunters, they are the hunters. They picked themselves. We don't want politics from a popularity vote, that's how anti hunters get their foot in the door. We want qualified hunters who can think on their own. Anyone can submit their application to become a commissioner, why don't you? Are you qualified? Instead of making up fairy tale excuses and repeating the usp lies, why don't you do something about it. Go thru the process and see if you can make the cut. Anyone is eligible. Few are qualified. |
Originally Posted by sproulman
(Post 3784424)
sad that we seem to have to fight for everything these days.why is pgc commissioners not picked by hunters?we have no say.
so we have to raise money to try to stop the system that is not putting our deer herds at very low levels. this is happening all over country too.not only in pa. why all of sudden that deer are hated animal in woods .its all money valentine and groups with money are after hunters. no deer,no hunters and AUDUBON and other nature people will have what they want. WOODS WITH NO ONE IN IT CONTROLLED BY DCNR .dont think for 1 minute if they could keep us out of woods and on DESIGNATED TRAILS ,they would not do it. Second, the PGC arent that ones that pull the trigger, the sportsmen are. The only thing the USP is out for is themselves. They could care less about the hunters. For an organization to want the PGC to fund their own litigation, instead of the general fund is ridiculous, especially since the USP knows that the more the PGC pays for these frivilous lawsuits, the less money they have towards and for us hunters. They say they arent for merging the PGC and DCNR, but thats exactly where it is heading. Thats ok though, the 700 members the USP boasts are just as clueless as the leadership. my .02 |
Second, the PGC arent that ones that pull the trigger, the sportsmen are But hunters can't pull the trigger unless the PGC provides the tags. The PGC is charged with the responsibility to manage the herd, not the individual hunters , but the PGC uses those hunters as a tool to accomplish their goals,even if it means lying to the hunters in order to get the job done. Besides ,Alt said if hunters didn't kill enough doe he would do whatever was necessary to get the job done. |
Originally Posted by 5A_Archer
(Post 3787754)
First off, I feel bad they got you for the life-membership USP.
Second, the PGC arent that ones that pull the trigger, the sportsmen are. The only thing the USP is out for is themselves. They could care less about the hunters. For an organization to want the PGC to fund their own litigation, instead of the general fund is ridiculous, especially since the USP knows that the more the PGC pays for these frivilous lawsuits, the less money they have towards and for us hunters. They say they arent for merging the PGC and DCNR, but thats exactly where it is heading. Thats ok though, the 700 members the USP boasts are just as clueless as the leadership. my .02 so as long as you can kill 5 doe,or 3 doe etc,it will continue until few are left. which is happening in wmu2g.USP has more than 700 members.at 1 table for weekend in clinton county we signed up well over 200.it is HARD to get people to pay 20 dollars a year. heck our local sportsmans club lost 1,100 MEMBERS IN LAST COUPLE YEARS. why ,because the hunting is bad and 20 dollars for local membership, they aint paying it. its economy and bad hunting ,not only deer but rabbits/turkey/grouse are not very good. so, you are right,i have no doubt the USP is losing members.so are other clubs. hunting magazines are losing the a also.fishing too.they are losing members.B.A.S.S lost over 126,000 members. NRA lost almost as many.i am mewmber of ELKS club. we lose 30 members a year in our area. thats lot. dues of 35 dollars ,they wont pay it. i dont agree with everything the USP does. but PGC is not very good group if they let this OVERHARVEST of deer happen here in pa. |
Here is what the PGC has done to the herd in 2G.
Year .Allocation antless harvest ..buck harvest .license/harvest 85 ..10.23 .3.27 .2.98 ..3.12 86 ..13.16 .3.18 .4.11 ..4.14 87 ..15.42 .3.85 .4.20 ..4.00 88 ..17.43 .5.88 .4.18 ..2.97 89 ..18.00 .5.62 .3.72 ..3.20 90 ..17.38 .5.00 .3.02 ..3.47 91 ..13.63 .3.52 .2.65 ..3.88 92 6.99 .1.96 .2.95 ..3.57 93 7.16 .2.31 .2.84 ..3.10 94 9.02 .3.16 .2.99 ..2.85 95 9.02 .3.66 .3.01 ..2.47 96 ..10.20 .2.38 .2.28 ..4.29 97 6.00 .2.34 .2.81 ..2.56 98 7.65 .2.03 .2.63 ..3.76 99 7.65 .1.86 .3.13 ..4.11 00 7.20 .2.65 .2.96 ..2.72 01 8.22 .2.67 .2.82 ..3.08 02 ..12.90 .4.18 .2.42 * ...3.09 03 ..12.64 .4.95 .2.46 ..2.55 04 ..12.64 .2.58 .1.60 ..4.91 05 7.05 .1.51 .1.22 ..4.68 06 4.62 .1.12 .1.75 ..4.13 07 6.32 .1.60 .1.24 ..3.94 08 6.32 .2.21 .1.63 ..2.86 09 6.32 .1.02 .1.26 ..6.19 10 3.70 .N/A ..N/A .N/A Note that the habitat in 2g that had been over browsed for over 30 years produced a buck harvest rate of over 4 buck PSM from from 1986 to 1988. The new and improved DMP decreased the buck harvest from 3.13 BPSM in 1999 to 1.26 BPSM in 2009. And ,to add insult to injury ,forest health is still rated as poor in 2G so the PGC should reduce the herd even more if they are in fact managing the herd based on forest health. |
Lawsuit
usp lawsuit is over with pgc.i was in meeting on saturday and it was said ,its over.
tough to do anything unless you have deep pockets of money. |
Originally Posted by sproulman
(Post 3791928)
usp lawsuit is over with pgc.i was in meeting on saturday and it was said ,its over.
tough to do anything unless you have deep pockets of money. |
Originally Posted by WCO R.W.J
(Post 3791935)
Some facts and some experts would have helped/:confused0024:
we think, only think or feel that pgc may merge with pfbc.no one said this or heard this only what we feel MAY be direction that corbett takes.this is only US talking ,not anyone else madfe that comment ,just us talking between ouselves .. DCNR would remain same.USP did say they are against this and want them PGC to remane same. gas drilling we think is what MAY push corbett to merge the 2.i think gas drilling money that they want it in general fund from the pgc. |
Originally Posted by bluebird2
(Post 3788077)
But hunters can't pull the trigger unless the PGC provides the tags.
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Government owned, government run. What judge in his right mind is going to go against the Gang of Goons in Harrisburg? You'll have a better chance of hitting the lottery.
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Originally Posted by Sniper151
(Post 3794487)
Government owned, government run. What judge in his right mind is going to go against the Gang of Goons in Harrisburg? You'll have a better chance of hitting the lottery.
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The USP had the facts, but since those facts were not presented by an expert the judge dismissed those facts in favor of the PGC. The simple fact is there is no deer management expert who wants to put his career on the line by opposing the PGC's claim that they are managing the herd based on herd health and forest health, even though it is obvious that is not what the PGC is doing. All you have to do is look at 2G where they reduced the herd to 8 DPSM and forest health is still rated as poor. Instead of reducing the herd even more in 2G they reduced the length of the antlerless season and reduced the doe tag allocation.
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Originally Posted by WCO R.W.J
(Post 3794503)
Perhaps if the USP would have had facts or even one expert, they might have had a chance, but when all you have is tabloid hyperbole, your right you dont stand a chance.
still would not have got them to court.they must have felt they could at least got to court.judge in my opinion was on PGC side.thats way things are. look at things gov corbett doing right now.no violations issued unless jtop guy of dep says so on gas drilling. his dad gave corbett over 300,000 and he got top dep job.his wife gave 6,000 and she got top job. funny how all top picks most had someone else DONATE to corbett. its enough to make you throw up. |
Originally Posted by bluebird2
(Post 3794561)
The USP had the facts, but since those facts were not presented by an expert the judge dismissed those facts in favor of the PGC. The simple fact is there is no deer management expert who wants to put his career on the line by opposing the PGC's claim that they are managing the herd based on herd health and forest health, even though it is obvious that is not what the PGC is doing. All you have to do is look at 2G where they reduced the herd to 8 DPSM and forest health is still rated as poor. Instead of reducing the herd even more in 2G they reduced the length of the antlerless season and reduced the doe tag allocation.
so even the 1 week closing did not increase the deer .that tells you its not working and more drastic cuts in doe hunting should happen in counties like western clinton county. |
Originally Posted by sproulman
(Post 3794616)
still would not have got them to court.they must have felt they could at least got to court.judge in my opinion was on PGC side.thats way things are.
look at things gov corbett doing right now.no violations issued unless jtop guy of dep says so on gas drilling. his dad gave corbett over 300,000 and he got top dep job.his wife gave 6,000 and she got top job. funny how all top picks most had someone else DONATE to corbett. its enough to make you throw up. head of coal company in clearfield going to find a way to do away with medicare/medicaid. |
Originally Posted by sproulman
(Post 3794616)
still would not have got them to court.they must have felt they could at least got to court.judge in my opinion was on PGC side.thats way things are.
look at things gov corbett doing right now.no violations issued unless jtop guy of dep says so on gas drilling. his dad gave corbett over 300,000 and he got top dep job.his wife gave 6,000 and she got top job. funny how all top picks most had someone else DONATE to corbett. its enough to make you throw up. head of coal company in clearfield going to find a way to do away with medicare/medicaid. |
Originally Posted by WCO R.W.J
(Post 3794900)
What the heck does a coal company have to do with medicare? This is just a absurd post. BTW Judges are impartial and rule on the issues of the law.
thats what it has to do with MEDICARE AND MEDICAID. right,impartial.been there seen that.i was before judges in philadelphia on many cases over 40 years. you are not in real world. |
Originally Posted by pats102862
(Post 3794818)
Coal companys want to do away with medicare/medicaid? :confused0024: Those evil engery companies.:evil:
alan walker gave large amounts to corbett .now he is the BIG BOY IN HARRISBURG.just on PCN tonight a rep said,CORBETT IS GOING TO GO AFTER MEDICAID. did you know you will most likely be on medicaid if it is around [welfare] can you afford over 6,000 month in nursing home? |
If you can't pay for a nursing home, don't go.
I shouldn't be forced to pay for you. |
Originally Posted by SteveBNy
(Post 3795215)
If you can't pay for a nursing home, don't go.
I shouldn't be forced to pay for you. yea right. how are you going to be able to take care of yourself at home? it aint going to happen. i am somewhat expert in this area as i had many relatives in nursing home. some had good jobs and could not afford 6000/10000 a month.raised family and put kids thru college etc. until you have been there,you dont know. i had friend that worked with me for years. he talked like you too steve.he said,THOSE PEOPLE ON DISABILITY,I SHOULDNT BE FORCED TO PAY FOR YOU. well i saw him the other day and guess what,GUESS WHO IS ON DISABILITY AT AGE 56 WITH HIP REPLACEMENT? as paul harvey said,GOOD DAY! |
Originally Posted by sproulman
(Post 3795017)
alan walker gave large amounts to corbett .now he is the BIG BOY IN HARRISBURG.just on PCN tonight a rep said,CORBETT IS GOING TO GO AFTER MEDICAID.
did you know you will most likely be on medicaid if it is around [welfare] can you afford over 6,000 month in nursing home? |
Originally Posted by sproulman
(Post 3795013)
i guess you did not know that alan walker owner of bradford coal in clfd is CORBETTS PICK FOR COMMUNTIY DEVELOPMENT.
thats what it has to do with MEDICARE AND MEDICAID. right,impartial.been there seen that.i was before judges in philadelphia on many cases over 40 years. you are not in real world. You seem to know even less about the judicial system and how it works than you do about wildlife management.:D |
Is there anything you are not an expert on?
Maybe they could afford to care for themselves and their family if they didn't have the government taking 1/2 their money to pay for others. Why not have all our money should go straight to the government and let them pay all the bills? Our country existed for a long time without dumping those who needed some help in a publically supported warehouse. It's called family and community. |
Originally Posted by Sniper151
(Post 3794487)
Government owned, government run. What judge in his right mind is going to go against the Gang of Goons in Harrisburg? You'll have a better chance of hitting the lottery.
i was in supreme court in philly and saw it all for 30 years. you are right. USP lost from start not because of expert witness but because the deck is stacked against anyone who takes on the establishments. been there ,saw that for 30 years. |
Originally Posted by sproulman
(Post 3795602)
USP lost from start not because of expert witness but because the deck is stacked against anyone who takes on the establishments.
been there ,saw that for 30 years. |
Originally Posted by pats102862
(Post 3795659)
Pa. voters got sick and tired of the establishment last election. Guess they getting tired pay for these entitlements.;)
low voter turnout is one reason.in my area it was around 36% voted. we used to have average of 70% voting. YOUNG PEOPLE DONT SEEM TO CARE.old or older farts vote.property taxes are wrong.it should be on your INCOME not your home.you should see the wealthy and upper middle class give ole sproul a dirty look on that one when i speak at county meetings.:) |
Originally Posted by sproulman
(Post 3795890)
property taxes are wrong.it should be on your INCOME not your home.
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Originally Posted by pats102862
(Post 3796005)
Your right, property taxes are wrong. Why should a person with no kids but owns a lot of property pay more in school taxes than some one with several kids in the school system paying little or no school taxes? The system is way screwed up, The people receiving the lions share of entitlements should be paying the bulk of the taxes, but they pay little or no taxes. As for the USP, another entitlement crowd, expects the PGC to provide every hunter with a deer every year.:nonono2:
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GPS collars on antlerless deer in WMU unit 2G (of which Clinton County is a part of) showed that only 4% were being killed on public land. Since it takes a 30% harvest of the total antlerless population to stabilize it's growth, the herd in 2G is very likely growing.
You can find this and other information in a webinar from Kip Adams, a Certified Wildlife Biologists and QDMA's Director of Outreach and Education for the Northern US. This webinar was hosted by Penn State's Natural Resources Extension. The link is: http://rnrext.cas.psu.edu/PAForestWe...sseminars.html |
I find it amazing that Kip actually believes the survival rates for deer in 2G. Eveland used the survival rates from these flawed studies to try and prove that the PGC harvest data was flawed and all he proved was that his analysis was flawed.
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