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Old 03-15-2011, 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by sproulman
i am LIFE MEMBER OF USP.deer numbers are very low here in clinton county.dcnr does not like deer.all i want to see is at least the 11dpsm that they said we should have.
hunting 5 miles of woods and you see 5 deer or many miles with none.i dont mean dpsm mile ,i mean 5 miles of woods .

most would be very happy to see 11 dpsm that they said we should have.
Sorry to hear about your financial woes sproulman but you should have checked them out before giving them your money.
I was also under the impression it was the Pennsylvania Game Comm. not the Clinton County Deer Comm.. They manage for the entire state and all of it's people, not just you and your county. It always seems to be about you, you, you when you post, why is that? Why so self centered? There are plenty of people who can find deer in Clinton county, why can't you? 10,400 people found deer in that unit. Are all the deer within 2G outside of the Clinton county boundaries, but still within the unit boundaries? I doubt that or the densities would be pretty high for the rest of the unit.
I seriously doubt whether you'd know if you were standing within a 1/2 mile of a deer if there were 20dpsm let alone 11 or 5. And if you can you see for a half mile all around you, well then I can tell you from here why your not seeing any deer.

Commissioners are not picked by the hunters, they are the hunters. They picked themselves. We don't want politics from a popularity vote, that's how anti hunters get their foot in the door. We want qualified hunters who can think on their own. Anyone can submit their application to become a commissioner, why don't you? Are you qualified? Instead of making up fairy tale excuses and repeating the usp lies, why don't you do something about it. Go thru the process and see if you can make the cut. Anyone is eligible. Few are qualified.
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Old 03-17-2011, 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by sproulman
sad that we seem to have to fight for everything these days.why is pgc commissioners not picked by hunters?we have no say.

so we have to raise money to try to stop the system that is not putting our deer herds at very low levels.
this is happening all over country too.not only in pa.

why all of sudden that deer are hated animal in woods .its all money valentine and groups with money are after hunters.
no deer,no hunters and AUDUBON and other nature people will have what they want.

WOODS WITH NO ONE IN IT CONTROLLED BY DCNR .dont think for 1 minute if they could keep us out of woods and on DESIGNATED TRAILS ,they would not do it.
First off, I feel bad they got you for the life-membership USP.

Second, the PGC arent that ones that pull the trigger, the sportsmen are. The only thing the USP is out for is themselves. They could care less about the hunters. For an organization to want the PGC to fund their own litigation, instead of the general fund is ridiculous, especially since the USP knows that the more the PGC pays for these frivilous lawsuits, the less money they have towards and for us hunters. They say they arent for merging the PGC and DCNR, but thats exactly where it is heading. Thats ok though, the 700 members the USP boasts are just as clueless as the leadership.
my .02
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Old 03-18-2011, 01:28 PM
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Second, the PGC arent that ones that pull the trigger, the sportsmen are

But hunters can't pull the trigger unless the PGC provides the tags. The PGC is charged with the responsibility to manage the herd, not the individual hunters , but the PGC uses those hunters as a tool to accomplish their goals,even if it means lying to the hunters in order to get the job done.

Besides ,Alt said if hunters didn't kill enough doe he would do whatever was necessary to get the job done.
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Old 03-18-2011, 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by 5A_Archer
First off, I feel bad they got you for the life-membership USP.

Second, the PGC arent that ones that pull the trigger, the sportsmen are. The only thing the USP is out for is themselves. They could care less about the hunters. For an organization to want the PGC to fund their own litigation, instead of the general fund is ridiculous, especially since the USP knows that the more the PGC pays for these frivilous lawsuits, the less money they have towards and for us hunters. They say they arent for merging the PGC and DCNR, but thats exactly where it is heading. Thats ok though, the 700 members the USP boasts are just as clueless as the leadership.
my .02
a lot of us DONT PULL TRIGGER ON DOE but others do.those others are ones that have doe down to very low numbers.they just dont care.

so as long as you can kill 5 doe,or 3 doe etc,it will continue until few are left.

which is happening in wmu2g.USP has more than 700 members.at 1 table for weekend in clinton county we signed up well over 200.it is HARD to get people to pay 20 dollars a year.
heck our local sportsmans club lost 1,100 MEMBERS IN LAST COUPLE YEARS.
why ,because the hunting is bad and 20 dollars for local membership, they aint paying it.
its economy and bad hunting ,not only deer but rabbits/turkey/grouse are not very good.

so, you are right,i have no doubt the USP is losing members.so are other clubs.
hunting magazines are losing the a also.fishing too.they are losing members.B.A.S.S lost over 126,000 members.

NRA lost almost as many.i am mewmber of ELKS club. we lose 30 members a year in our area. thats lot.

dues of 35 dollars ,they wont pay it.
i dont agree with everything the USP does. but PGC is not very good group if they let this OVERHARVEST of deer happen here in pa.
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Old 03-18-2011, 05:32 PM
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Here is what the PGC has done to the herd in 2G.


Year…….Allocation…………ant’less harvest………..buck harvest…….license/harvest
85………..10.23………………….3.27………………….2.98……………..3.12
86………..13.16………………….3.18………………….4.11……………..4.14
87………..15.42………………….3.85………………….4.20……………..4.00
88………..17.43………………….5.88………………….4.18……………..2.97
89………..18.00………………….5.62………………….3.72……………..3.20
90………..17.38………………….5.00………………….3.02……………..3.47
91………..13.63………………….3.52………………….2.65……………..3.88
92…………6.99………………….1.96………………….2.95……………..3.57
93…………7.16………………….2.31………………….2.84……………..3.10
94…………9.02………………….3.16………………….2.99……………..2.85
95…………9.02………………….3.66………………….3.01……………..2.47
96………..10.20………………….2.38………………….2.28……………..4.29
97…………6.00………………….2.34………………….2.81……………..2.56
98…………7.65………………….2.03………………….2.63……………..3.76
99…………7.65………………….1.86………………….3.13……………..4.11
00…………7.20………………….2.65………………….2.96……………..2.72
01…………8.22………………….2.67………………….2.82……………..3.08
02………..12.90………………….4.18………………….2.42 *…………...3.09
03………..12.64………………….4.95………………….2.46……………..2.55
04………..12.64………………….2.58………………….1.60……………..4.91
05…………7.05………………….1.51………………….1.22……………..4.68
06…………4.62………………….1.12………………….1.75……………..4.13
07…………6.32………………….1.60………………….1.24……………..3.94
08…………6.32………………….2.21………………….1.63……………..2.86
09…………6.32………………….1.02………………….1.26……………..6.19
10…………3.70………………….N/A…………………..N/A…………….N/A

Note that the habitat in 2g that had been over browsed for over 30 years produced a buck harvest rate of over 4 buck PSM from from 1986 to 1988. The new and improved DMP decreased the buck harvest from 3.13 BPSM in 1999 to 1.26 BPSM in 2009. And ,to add insult to injury ,forest health is still rated as poor in 2G so the PGC should reduce the herd even more if they are in fact managing the herd based on forest health.
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Old 03-27-2011, 06:21 PM
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usp lawsuit is over with pgc.i was in meeting on saturday and it was said ,its over.
tough to do anything unless you have deep pockets of money.
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Old 03-27-2011, 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by sproulman
usp lawsuit is over with pgc.i was in meeting on saturday and it was said ,its over.
tough to do anything unless you have deep pockets of money.
Some facts and some experts would have helped/
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Old 03-27-2011, 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by WCO R.W.J
Some facts and some experts would have helped/
i agree.i really did not get into it.i did meet john arway of fish commission and we had nice talk.real nice guy,for sure.

we think, only think or feel that pgc may merge with pfbc.no one said this or heard this only what we feel MAY be direction that corbett takes.this is only US talking ,not anyone else madfe that comment ,just us talking between ouselves ..
DCNR would remain same.USP did say they are against this and want them PGC to remane same.

gas drilling we think is what MAY push corbett to merge the 2.i think gas drilling money that they want it in general fund from the pgc.
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Old 04-02-2011, 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by bluebird2
But hunters can't pull the trigger unless the PGC provides the tags.
Wow you might as well say "If Obama takes away our guns we cant shoot the deer!" Be careful what you wish for!
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Old 04-03-2011, 12:11 PM
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Government owned, government run. What judge in his right mind is going to go against the Gang of Goons in Harrisburg? You'll have a better chance of hitting the lottery.
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