Truth on deer in pa.
01-15-2011, 06:04 PM
#31
Spike
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Timonium, MD and Hershey, PA
Posts: 8
Guys like Cochy see a few pics of big bucks in the newspaper and think that AR's has greatly increased the number of 2.5+ buck,but they never look at the actual data on the 2.5+ buck harvest. If they did ,they would know that in 2009 we only harvested 2,300 more 2.5+ buck than we did in 2002 ,when none of the 2.5 buck were produced by ARs. They also ignore the fact that the harvest of 8+ pt. buck only increased by 17% from 2001 to 2009, while Alt predicted it would increase by 100%.
01-16-2011, 07:02 AM
#33
Giant Nontypical
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Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: PA.
Posts: 5,195
Junior hunters were exempt from ARs from the start so Alt knew they would be harvesting a very small percentage of the non-AR legal buck and he still claimed ARs would double the number of 8 pts and it didn't come close. But the main reason it didn't is due to continued HR and high BB harvests, not juniors or their parents shooting 1.5 buck.
blue,RESPECTFULLY,you are not correct.
i ate lunch at meeting with state rep from my area with DR.ALT.before this our local sportsmans president was crying,DR.ALT WE HAVE TO ALLOW KIDS TO KILL ANY BUCK,PLEASE DR.ALT, PLEASE.
if alt only knew that this so called sportsman FOUND a way to fill his freezer.he did not care anything for kids, it was a WAY to get meat.
BLUE,up to that time, listen, up to that time there WAS NOT GOING TO BE A AR EXEMPTION FOR KIDS.it was going to be 3 points for ALL.
that is fact, it came out of his mouth in front of 500 hunters at lock haven university.i was there and asked what i thought of it by state rep.
I DID NOT LIKE IT BECAUSE I SAW WAY FOR HUNTERS TO OUTLAW AND USE KIDS AS A WAY TO DO IT.
now what i say is happening. 5 yr old girls in pink with sneakers on shooting 13 point bucks with WEE- 0-8 AND NO TAG NECESSARY.
so when dr.alt spoke possibly the AR exemption for babies was not in affect.
i can tell you this,AR IS WORKING BUT WILL NOT GET TOO 100% UNLESS ALL OUTLAWING AND STUPID BABY SHOOTING A 13 POINT STOPS.
01-16-2011, 08:41 AM
#34
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 3,879
Apparently you forgot that Alt continued to make his predictions about the effects of ARs long after junior hunters were exempted from the effects of ARs. His claim about more and larger bucks appeared in the Hunting Digest until 2008.
Furthermore, even if some parents are using their kids tag to harvest non-AR legal buck, the PGC is still claiming that ARs are protecting 50% of the 1.5 yr. buck, which is what Alt predicted. You may or may not have a problem in your area,it definitely is not a statewide problem and it is not the reason why ARs failed to double the number of 8 pts.
Furthermore, even if some parents are using their kids tag to harvest non-AR legal buck, the PGC is still claiming that ARs are protecting 50% of the 1.5 yr. buck, which is what Alt predicted. You may or may not have a problem in your area,it definitely is not a statewide problem and it is not the reason why ARs failed to double the number of 8 pts.
01-17-2011, 06:13 AM
#35
Spike
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: central PA
Posts: 1
Looking for new areas to hunt in central PA
Figured I would post something other than the back and forth bickering about the AR and Dr. Alt. I am always looking for new places to hunt around the central PA region, does anyone know of a good area. I prefer places I can put up game cameras place a food plot and observe the area. I have been noticing that there are quality deer here in PA have been seeing large deer in areas you can not hunt due to the laws of beeing so far from a structure. I will try to post a picture of a non-typical 8 point that eats from my side yard in a development..
01-17-2011, 11:00 AM
#36
Giant Nontypical
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Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: PA.
Posts: 5,195
Figured I would post something other than the back and forth bickering about the AR and Dr. Alt. I am always looking for new places to hunt around the central PA region, does anyone know of a good area. I prefer places I can put up game cameras place a food plot and observe the area. I have been noticing that there are quality deer here in PA have been seeing large deer in areas you can not hunt due to the laws of beeing so far from a structure. I will try to post a picture of a non-typical 8 point that eats from my side yard in a development..
01-17-2011, 12:29 PM
#37
Spike
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Timonium, MD and Hershey, PA
Posts: 8
Figured I would post something other than the back and forth bickering about the AR and Dr. Alt. I am always looking for new places to hunt around the central PA region, does anyone know of a good area. I prefer places I can put up game cameras place a food plot and observe the area. I have been noticing that there are quality deer here in PA have been seeing large deer in areas you can not hunt due to the laws of beeing so far from a structure. I will try to post a picture of a non-typical 8 point that eats from my side yard in a development..
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01-17-2011, 01:12 PM
#39
Banned
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 273
Guys like Cochy see a few pics of big bucks in the newspaper and think that AR's has greatly increased the number of 2.5+ buck,but they never look at the actual data on the 2.5+ buck harvest. If they did ,they would know that in 2009 we only harvested 2,300 more 2.5+ buck than we did in 2002 ,when none of the 2.5 buck were produced by ARs. They also ignore the fact that the harvest of 8+ pt. buck only increased by 17% from 2001 to 2009, while Alt predicted it would increase by 100%.