Grace property hunting club...hardy county wv
Greetings all.
I just bought a share in this "club" here recently. I was wondering if there are any other shareholders on here and what your views are on the QUALITY of game it holds and on any other issues you may have with it. I'm originally from Moorefield and hunted it a couple of times as a kid but that was 20 years ago. I know its a huge place and is going to take some time to get to know, I was just wondering what your general feelings are about it. thanks also has anyone fished much in the small lakes??? thanks |
Does this club have an official website?? What did a share cost you and in what part of the state are their lands located...
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No Frank, they don't have a website. Club was formed about 25 years ago or so. As it says in the title, it's in Hardy county. Eastern panhandle (potomac highlands)
The land is right around 12,000 deeded acres and I paid $10,000.00. There's probably about 500 shares (although I'm unsure about that number as I just bought this thing last week) but rarely do I see one for sale (in the Moorefield WV newspaper...the most likely place to see one). I'd say $10,000.00 is somewhat below fmv as I'd bet I could sell that same share for $12-$15k right now, depending on where/how I advertised. |
Originally Posted by hillbillyhunter1
(Post 3644684)
No Frank, they don't have a website. Club was formed about 25 years ago or so. As it says in the title, it's in Hardy county. Eastern panhandle (potomac highlands)
The land is right around 12,000 deeded acres and I paid $10,000.00. There's probably about 500 shares (although I'm unsure about that number as I just bought this thing last week) but rarely do I see one for sale (in the Moorefield WV newspaper...the most likely place to see one). I'd say $10,000.00 is somewhat below fmv as I'd bet I could sell that same share for $12-$15k right now, depending on where/how I advertised. |
thanks for your reply Rem. I've already had a guy call me offering $12,000.00. He called the original seller after our deal, and was forwarded to me. I told him that I wasn't interested in selling but would keep his number...just in case.
If you figure 12,000 acres divided by, let's say 600 (even though I think it is only 500) shares, then a $10,000.00 share is equivalent to 20 acres at $500/acre. I'd be willing to bet that I could get over 12k just advertising in the moorefield paper (especially as hunting season approaches). Advertise in the DC paper or the valley trader and the market price would be substantially higher. Either way, it doesn't really matter to me as I don't plan on selling anytime soon. I own some other land in Hardy county and this will just free me up to make some objective decisions (as I may be moving West one day) without having to worry about a place to hunt back here should the need arise. I also like the fact that this place has two lakes (flood control dams...like the one there in Mathias) and south fork river frontage....and about 40 spaces to camp in an rv...if one is so inclined. |
Originally Posted by hillbillyhunter1
(Post 3645247)
thanks for your reply Rem. I've already had a guy call me offering $12,000.00. He called the original seller after our deal, and was forwarded to me. I told him that I wasn't interested in selling but would keep his number...just in case.
If you figure 12,000 acres divided by, let's say 600 (even though I think it is only 500) shares, then a $10,000.00 share is equivalent to 20 acres at $500/acre. I'd be willing to bet that I could get over 12k just advertising in the moorefield paper (especially as hunting season approaches). Advertise in the DC paper or the valley trader and the market price would be substantially higher. Either way, it doesn't really matter to me as I don't plan on selling anytime soon. I own some other land in Hardy county and this will just free me up to make some objective decisions (as I may be moving West one day) without having to worry about a place to hunt back here should the need arise. I also like the fact that this place has two lakes (flood control dams...like the one there in Mathias) and south fork river frontage....and about 40 spaces to camp in an rv...if one is so inclined. did you know that there's gonna be ground sold soon for taxes up there..major parcels that were meant for sub-divisions( that collapsed with the market)?? that's where I'm looking at!!! |
by "West" I meant Montana. That's what I'm really longing to do again. Permanently this time.
Anyway, those land deals you're looking at may be good too. That area is going to be a good investment no matter what, as its definately going to grow in the future. |
The price isn't too bad...but I couldn't deal with the jerks. I've been there and done that.
A little west in WV, You can still buy YOUR OWN land for $500 an acre. The farm next to mine just sold a 79 acre parcel w/ a "flat place" of about 10 acres. It also had a house and free gas on it. That all sold for $55K. Absolute steal. I understand...you'd have to drive. But the game populations are better. I'm in Braxton County. |
Originally Posted by Ridge Runner
(Post 3645281)
As far as no deer on the farmland around baker, I'm callin BS, I hunt this area every year, the population is down from years ago but I still see 30-50 deer per day with about 8-15 bucks in the bunch. Its been established that this area can carry 18-26 deer per square mile, we still have over 40, so they are still overpopulated. Do not expect to see these numbers on grace, its just too desolate and rough to hold that many deer. with a good mast crop you'll see plenty of deer there once you learn to hunt it, and its nothing like anywhere you hunted before. RR 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 Hardy----- 1,961- 2,178- 2,111- 2,046 - 1,601 in fact, the entire District 2 has had declining harvests of Deer AND turkey.. it was 1 of only 2 that showed repetetive decline of Gobblers this year.. District 1 was the other..ALL other areas showed increases. So as far as your calling BS, you better get yer facts straight before you speak....the numbers don't lie. |
Originally Posted by Ridge Runner
(Post 3645813)
well a decline of the deer population, from a high of 80 PER SQUARE MILE moron, to approx 40 PER SQUARE MILE would tend to cut the harvest numbers don't ya think?
as far as gobbler harvests declines, it ain't cause of the population decreasing, its mainly from the fact that there are many more hens then we had 15 years ago, they don't gobble like they use to but there are more of them. When I was a child in the 70's, nobody bowhunted, and everyone fall turkey hunted, they took out alot of hens, there was competition for the right to breed and the turkeys gobbled alot more, now they can see hens on the ground from flydown till they go back to roost so they don't gotta gobble. instead of reading this doctored data the DNR puts out ya oughta keep the yap shut and experience what goes on in the woods, don't put others down cause they have a grasp on things, numbers may not lie, but they don't tell the hows and whys of the totals. RR Preliminary figures indicate West Virginia hunters harvested 10,006 bearded turkeys statewide during the recently completed 2010 spring gobbler season. This year’s spring harvest is approximately two percent above the 9,787 birds taken in 2009. It is the first time the spring harvest exceeded 10,000 since 2006. The top five counties in 2010 were Mason (536), Marshall (316), Putnam (315), Lincoln (278), and Harrison (269). Four of the state’s districts had slight declines; however, two districts showed an increase in harvest from last year. Harvests in the western and southwestern portions of the state were higher in 2010. District 5 showed the greatest percentage increase (35), while District 2 had the largest decrease at 12 percent. “Our biologists predicted a very similar kill in 2010 based on brood reports,” said Curtis I. Taylor, Chief of the Wildlife Resources Section of the West Virginia Division of Natural Resources. “Normal weather conditions across much of the spring season enabled hunters to have plenty of time afield. In addition, a good carryover of mature toms provided many mornings of recreation for Mountain State hunters.” Biologists had forecast a spring harvest of approximately 10,000 gobblers for 2010 based on past data. The lack of available mast during fall 2009 may have affected gobbling in some regions but the overall population survived the winter in good shape. With more favorable winter weather conditions and sufficient fall foods, there should be an abundance of gobblers for the 2011 spring season, Taylor predicted. **DNR** West Virginia Spring Wild Turkey Harvest , 2006-2010 County 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 Barbour 176 177 224 209 157 Brooke 121 101 79 86 91 Han**** 137 117 71 98 109 Harrison 254 237 291 310 269 Marion 190 201 178 175 178 Marshall 306 279 222 214 316 Monongalia 310 260 247 215 256 Ohio 137 77 53 64 94 Preston 400 330 371 378 226 Taylor 101 84 115 101 86 Tucker 98 83 85 68 63 Wetzel 200 204 253 213 199 Dist. I Subtotal 2,430 2,150 2,189 2,131 2,044 Berkeley 107 71 70 83 89 Grant 130 144 115 121 107 Hampshire 220 163 165 194 149 Hardy 226 156 141 172 158 Jefferson 51 46 34 44 27 Mineral 135 114 107 135 116 Morgan 116 87 88 63 69 Pendleton 136 140 101 114 100 Dist. II Subtotal 1,121 921 821 926 815 Braxton 282 211 199 226 197 Clay 82 80 77 89 66 Lewis 258 245 243 241 236 Nicholas 226 188 210 157 157 Pocahontas 128 127 102 117 107 Randolph 176 170 163 198 180 Upshur 258 212 288 298 256 Webster 108 98 98 113 104 Dist. III Subtotal 1,518 1,331 1,380 1,439 1,303 Fayette 261 231 279 255 215 Greenbrier 298 264 292 266 219 McDowell 270 214 250 181 267 Mercer 311 269 253 215 177 Monroe 200 170 142 178 143 Raleigh 264 282 221 227 180 Summers 287 284 258 219 220 Wyoming 243 197 209 227 256 Dist. IV Subtotal 2,134 1,911 1,904 1,768 1,677 Boone 159 132 118 111 185 Cabell 146 125 138 157 250 Kanawha 263 254 247 219 262 Lincoln 223 172 188 183 278 Logan 169 112 157 160 194 Mason 493 407 394 419 536 Mingo 100 80 82 95 107 Putnam 246 178 232 256 315 Wayne 207 164 145 146 239 Dist. V Subtotal 2,006 1,624 1,701 1,746 2,366 Calhoun 193 150 141 129 120 Doddridge 199 117 144 135 150 Gilmer 195 150 139 147 142 Jackson 353 332 310 257 268 Pleasants 97 59 89 63 73 Ritchie 317 244 208 206 232 Roane 293 268 229 219 206 Tyler 198 155 174 167 196 Wirt 272 216 185 175 165 Wood 409 337 315 279 249 Dist. VI Subtotal 2,526 2,028 1,934 1,777 1,801 State Total 11,735 9,965 9,929 9,787 10,006 8 counties in our district...9 counties in district 5: we killed 815, they killed 2366.....that's nearly 3 times the gobblers taken. THREE TIMES !! ..and from the hunters I know in thsoe areas, they gobbled good... Now, before you lower yourself to name-calling again, support your point with FACTS,ok??? it's un-becoming of you...don't look for me to retun that pathetic action. also, read thsi : http://wvdnr.gov/Hunting/PDFFiles/BGB_2009.pdf ..read the boittom of pg 27... "4 bucks /sq mile ave"... FOUR, so if you see twice that number( figuring a 50% kill) you're either in a paradise spot, or your near a bait pile, which is a BIG problem in Hardy county...and they DON"T have 40 deer per sq mi., as evidenced by harvest numbers...believe what you want. |
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