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Originally Posted by oak leaf (Post 3632410)

I remember when PA doe season was only 1 day - rain, snow or shine. Back in those days, many applied for doe tags, but few received. Time period was 1960's, and deer were plentiful.

In 2009, I spent 82 hours in a tree stand in archery season and saw a total of 13 deer. 9 buck and 4 does. Now tell me this is QDM.

PGC program in Central PA sucks, a la total fiasco.

i think you did better than me here in clinton county.you have a lot of deer if you saw 13, they need thinned out:rolleye0011:
on thursday the first week of gun i talked to my NETWORK of crews locally driving.
here is what 1 crew said, SPROUL WE GOT A 8 POINT AND SPIKE BUT NOT SEEING ANY DEER.this is big crew 25 hunters that dont wear their hats sideways and go to college in harrisburg and see lots of deer when they come here..
they are HUNTERS , they dont kill a doe anymore ,only bucks.

so i get TRUTH of what is going on.in each of their drives there was a miniumum of 6 hunters sitting waiting for deer to be pushed their way. they did not see deer also.new jersey hunters got 2 bucks for 6 days the first week off their drives.

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Originally Posted by oak leaf (Post 3632410)

I hunt in a unit where most people say there are no deer but it doesn’t seem as bad as what you described. If you only saw 13 deer in 82 hours that is less than 0.16 deer per hour. I only hunted 10 hours in archery season but saw 8 deer or 0.80 deer per hour.

Dick Bodenhorn

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Originally Posted by germain (Post 3622722)

Doug,these SGL's down here are below 11 DPSM with plenty of understory.Matter of fact the greenbriar is so thick alot of places you can't even bow hunt.Simple it's overhunted.
Here's where I disagree with you.I know a few areas that held lots of deer yet had great oak regen in the sun.My woods by camp were basically ferns until I opened the canopy.Now thick as can be with various regen including oaks and wildflowers.A mere 25 feet away in the shade nothing but ferns.Ferns love shade.

germain, this is what i am seeing too.sgl in williamsport is unreal on feed for deer but to see a pile of poo, you are very lucky.small game same thing.
JUST TO MUCH HUNTING PRESSURE OVER YEARS .best habitat in world and very few deer..............