Time To Turn The PGC Into Scrap!!
05-17-2010, 06:06 AM
#31
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 2,262
What a lot of nonsense the game commission is pushing. Before this circus started, we allegedly had 38 deer per square wooded mile in this state. Year after year of record harvests and it still stayed at 38 deer per square wooded mile. Even the clowns at the commission can not believe that is possible. The game commission admits they can not get an elk count without snow, somehow they know exactly how many deer there is in the state. An elk is almost three times the size of a deer and inhabits a very small area compared to deer. Am I the only one that sees something wrong there? Bigger deer my ass. The quality of deer where I hunt has gone down since this reduction started. I have old Game News with pictures of big, heavy deer from Potter and other northern counties taken in the 60s. The game commission did studies in the 50s,60s,70s ........and still can't get it right.
05-17-2010, 07:16 AM
#32
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 2,262
Here you go sproul.In 2008,hunters reported killing 2.44 doe per square mile and 1.79/spquare mile in district 10(Sproul state forest)with dmap tags.That doesn't include bucks and that doesn't include doe that were harvested using regular antlerless tags.It's also a reported harvest,not a calculated harvest.I think it's obvious that hunters are killing as many if not more than 3 dpsm in Clinton county.If that's the case,and the evidence points that way,there's no way you could have a dd of only 3 dpsm.Also,a large adult doe mortality is being done there.I forget exactly how many adult doe have been collared but I believe the last I saw,at least 175 have been trapped and collared.The last report I read,showed that less than 8% of the adult doe are being harvested by hunters in that region.Your doom and gloom stories about these large crews of guys combing the hillsides and killing every last deer just don't wash.
05-17-2010, 09:22 AM
#33
Typical Buck
Join Date: May 2010
Location: South East Pa.
Posts: 526
I do not have to post a link to show the game commission stating that there was 38 deer per square wooded mile. When the bonus-bonus doe tag years were in mode, that statement was in the Pa. Game News and had been in the magazine long before that. Don't try to muddy the waters, if they actually used kill reports to estimate deer density, that shows they had to know how many deer were there before the hunting season. In the game news it was a stated many times what the deer density for the state was. That is the official publication for the game commission. Maybe you should subscribe to it.
05-17-2010, 10:26 AM
#34
Fork Horn
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 147
I do not have to post a link to show the game commission stating that there was 38 deer per square wooded mile. When the bonus-bonus doe tag years were in mode, that statement was in the Pa. Game News and had been in the magazine long before that. Don't try to muddy the waters, if they actually used kill reports to estimate deer density, that shows they had to know how many deer were there before the hunting season. In the game news it was a stated many times what the deer density for the state was. That is the official publication for the game commission. Maybe you should subscribe to it.
Dick Bodenhorn
05-17-2010, 12:51 PM
#35
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 2,262
I do not have to post a link to show the game commission stating that there was 38 deer per square wooded mile. When the bonus-bonus doe tag years were in mode, that statement was in the Pa. Game News and had been in the magazine long before that. Don't try to muddy the waters, if they actually used kill reports to estimate deer density, that shows they had to know how many deer were there before the hunting season. In the game news it was a stated many times what the deer density for the state was. That is the official publication for the game commission. Maybe you should subscribe to it.
05-17-2010, 01:36 PM
#36
Typical Buck
Join Date: May 2010
Location: South East Pa.
Posts: 526
I never said what I thought the deer density was. I am telling you the Pa. game commission stated over and over that there were 38 deer per square wooded mile even after there were record kills a couple years in a row. You can't spread your B/S the statements are in print. Look in the back issues of the Pa. Game News, and you will see that number stated repeatedly. I am kind of curious, what state game lands do you two hunt on?
05-17-2010, 02:20 PM
#37
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 2,262
I'm not disputing that at one time there were 38 deer per forested square miles.In fact,I believe it was actually alot more in many places.What I'm disputing is your claim that they ever claimed to know EXACTLY how mnay deer were in Pa.They never provided anything other than an estimate.
By the way,I hunt SGL 93,77 and 87.However,the vast majority of my time during rifle season is spent either in Moshannon state forest or Elk state forest.
By the way,I hunt SGL 93,77 and 87.However,the vast majority of my time during rifle season is spent either in Moshannon state forest or Elk state forest.
05-17-2010, 07:25 PM
#38
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: PA.
Posts: 5,195
next 3 dpsm may be HIGH.this is do to many miles without a single deer.areas i know and hunters i know and crews who give me ACCURATE report of what they saw for 2 weeks of hunting,that 3 dpsm would be very accurate.
big crews are not killing a lot. 1 know got 7 bucks and 2 doe for 2 weeks. other got 3 bucks and 1 doe.other got 2 doe.other got 3 doe ..
actually if not kids were along the actual count on bucks would be DOWN as they would have to look and count points....
1 crew actually saw more bear than deer,total of 6 bear.
notice i dont comment on areas or countys where i dont know what is going on.deer situation is worst right now than i ever saw in clinton county.
so now you have it.i am better than any fly over infra red deer counting machine and i dont charge.
05-17-2010, 10:13 PM
#39
Typical Buck
Join Date: May 2010
Location: South East Pa.
Posts: 526
Sproulman
I agree, I really know the area I like to hunt. A decent acorn crop, not bumper, but decent and in late January there is nuts rotting all over the ground. Good ones, not junk chestnut oak acorns. You can get a bad year for rubbing, but not 6-7 bad years in a row. I am not some disgruntled hunter that comes home with nothing every year. Many a year I stop when I have what we need weather I have a doe tag left or not. If I get one in another state I don't use the doe tag. If I get a road kill I don't use the doe tag. I and others get irritated when the game commission and their flunkies treat real hunters like they are retarded. From their actions in the last 15 years it is no wonder well over half the hunters can't stand them. If that is their way of establishing a repore with the average hunter, I can't imagine what they would do if they wanted to snub them.
