Pa sportsmen groups speaks out about audit
03-10-2010, 02:30 PM
#51
Nontypical Buck
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So you admit that you, the PGC and DCNR are all clueless because no one knows how much we have to reduce the herd to get the desired regeneration.But DCNR is willing to admit that reducing the herd to less than 8 DPSM in some areas won't increase regeneration,so obviously they know something you don't know. And the PGC says that reducing the herd in 2F to less than 15.8 DPSM won't result in improved regeneration so they also know more than you. So , I guess you don't know half as much as you think you know.
03-10-2010, 02:48 PM
#52
Nontypical Buck
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Had it not been for the USP demanding the audit do you think Roe would EVER have come forth with the truth about the windfall from gas wells????..he'd been lying about that since the start of the drilling. what about the timbering harvests that the PGC has been UNDER harvesting (<1%) and telling us there is no revenue to be made from it...ALL THE WHILE PLEADING FOR A RATE HIKE TO BE EAR MARKED FOR "ADMINISTRATIVE PURPOSES"
Attention DougE.......Would you please comment on the windfall from gas wells.
Please explain your brain dead reason for Mr. Roe keeping this hush.
03-10-2010, 02:56 PM
#53
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So you admit that you, the PGC and DCNR are all clueless because no one knows how much we have to reduce the herd to get the desired regeneration.But DCNR is willing to admit that reducing the herd to less than 8 DPSM in some areas won't increase regeneration,so obviously they know something you don't know. And the PGC says that reducing the herd in 2F to less than 15.8 DPSM won't result in improved regeneration so they also know more than you. So , I guess you don't know half as much as you think you know.
03-10-2010, 02:58 PM
#54
Nontypical Buck
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What did he keep hush?All of that windfall is pure speculation at this point.No huge leases have been sighned that I'm aware of.The state forests just went up for bid in January.
03-10-2010, 03:11 PM
#56
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I never claimed to know what dd it will take to get desired regeneration accross the state.No one else from DCNR or the PGC ever claimed to know either.How could they?
IMHO the exclosures show that in order to get adequate regeneration of preferred species the herd has to be reduced to between 0 and 5 DPSM,while at the same time controlling competing vegetation.
03-11-2010, 02:34 AM
#57
Fork Horn
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windwalker there is no excuse, brain dead or other for Roe keeping the windfall hush hush.. he knew about the potential and he kept it quiet..he didn't ignore it he kept it quite....HE SHOULD BE OUSTED AND THE ENTIRE ADMIN. BE RESTRUCTURED AT ONCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
03-11-2010, 04:43 AM
#58
Fork Horn
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03-11-2010, 05:00 AM
#59
Nontypical Buck
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They may be projections but until leases are sihned and wells are producing,it's pure speculation.My brother signed a lease for 30 of his acres this past fall for $5750/acre.He thinks he's gonna be a millionaire because of it but they have to actually drill a well and hit gas.This is all in the beginning stages with alot of uncertainties.You can't base futire projections based on these kinds of speculations.
03-11-2010, 05:02 AM
#60
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Once again you are just flat out wrong. in 2003 the PGC claimed 2F could support 17 OW DPSM and 2G could support 15 DPSM and still have adequate regeneration. But in 2007 the herd in 2F had been reduced 15.8 PS DPSM and 2g was at 10.9 PS DPSM and both WMUs still were rated poor for forest health.
IMHO the exclosures show that in order to get adequate regeneration of preferred species the herd has to be reduced to between 0 and 5 DPSM,while at the same time controlling competing vegetation.
IMHO the exclosures show that in order to get adequate regeneration of preferred species the herd has to be reduced to between 0 and 5 DPSM,while at the same time controlling competing vegetation.
You're humble opinion is wrong.There are too many variables to say how mnay deer each particular area can have woithout effecting regeneration.
Like has been mentioned dozens of times,extremely poor habitat will take along time to fix.
