DougE

Yep,lot's of woodchucks in the woods.

Screamin Steel

POtter, i actually thnk the opposite about Doug's hunting skills. While I disagree heartily with anyone killing high numbers of doe each year, in defense of his skillset, he finds and kills them on public land, many of them with a bow, and in the WMU with the lowest DD in the state. I think he's probably a exceptionally skilled hunter, which translates to his unwillingness to believe that everyone else can't find many deer in the same places. JM2C

DougE

No offence Mike but I definately don't claim to be an alpha hunter.I don't shoot yearlings but I'm far from a trophy hunter.I'm a regular person with average skills and less time to hunt than most.I do find and kill deer on a consistant basis on public land in 2G but I don't do anything special.Most deer that I kill aren't all that far back in but I do hunt where I know deer should be be and sometimes the access may be thick or steep.I also rarely hunt the same spots from year to year because conditions and food sources change constantly up here.I don't think it's hard at all to be successful in this part of the state and I scratch my head wondering what all the complaining is about.If I can do it,anyone can.I also fully understand why we needed less deer around here.The habitat is crap for the most part and it wasn't going to get any better unless we drastically reduced the herd.Hunting is tougher today for alot of reasons but I fail to see it as the doom and gloom so many project.That sure as hell doesn't make me an alpha hunter.

DougE

I know quite a few hunters that consistantly kill much bigger bucks than I do on a consistant basis around here.Most of these guys you never hear about because they aren't complaining.I don't have a fraction of the skils or patience these guys have.It isn't about skill at all.It's nothing more than a simple undertsanding of what deer need at different times of the fall.That's all tied to habitat and food sources.Once I learned some basic facts about that,it became easy to write off many areas and focus on the areas that have what deer are looking for.There are no special skills for that.I hunt strictly saturdays with the exception of the first day of deer season and maybe one or two extra afternoons during archery season.I've seen some of my favorite areas go down the tubes just like ole RB is complaining about.It's easy to evaluate why in most cases and find better places to hunt.

Potterco

ain't got no use for doe killers matters little where they hunt..got even less use for meat mongers whom can't possibly use all they kill but just don't know when to quit...then try to excuse away their greed by slinging that old habitat line around..don't want any "mutal respect" from them either 'cause I'll never lower myself to their level of greed!!!!!!!

J Pike

No he is not!! I have discussed things with Doug on HPA and here for over 10 years now and he is very knowledgeable and dedicated to our sport. He is the one that did all the work and dedicated all time to get hunters access at Treasure Lake. In my opinion TL. is (was) the model that the PGC./ hunters could use in similar deer problem developments and lands owned by the state/govt., private land owners etc. across the state to get hunters access and take care of their deer problem. Without hunter access these deer problem area's will just continue to get worse and continue to make hunters look like they are not doing their job to PA. residents who do not under stand why we are not problem and why we currently cannot solve the problem in their particular area. This is the exact reason why I called out Gal That Fishes and Dutch etc. on this very same topic on QDMA.com for trying to turn TL. into something its not. Below is the Link. Pike
http://forums.qdma.com/showthread.php?t=28340

moosemike

I'm opposed to AR which gets them even more mad over there than if you don't like HR. I'm one of those horrible people who still wishes he could shoot a forkhorn when he sees one. They debate me and don't understand why I'm not passing bucks up but no one insults me and I haven't been banned. Being opposed to AR doesn't even get me any thumbs up here much less over there. P.S. I'm not all that new over there.

Potterco

I'm opposed to anything the PGC suggests in regard to deer...let them show me one single success story the've been responsible for in the last 15 years...turkeys?? no theat was the NWTF (of which I am a member)..elk??? no that was RMEF (of which I am a member)..phesants????...no don't get me started on them cause I'm a member of PF too!
Every single success of recent times with regard to wild game came about by independant groups not the PGC..time for the PGC to outsource the deer management too!!!!!!!

moosemike

The PGC has managed the Bear population quite well. if you like bears as much as I do that is.

Cornelius08

"I'm opposed to AR which gets them even more mad over there than if you don't like HR."

Not even close. While some may not like you being against ar, to those that matter over there, HR is the main issue of the oned these guys are talking about. Ar has nothing to do with preventing extreme unnatural levels of biodiversity and other such nonsense, and nothing to do with losing timber profits. Both things they are clearly concerned with.

I'd also say you are fairly low key. I know all the "players" and usual combatants and only vaguely recognized your name as being a very casually posting board member, and couldnt even recall what your position is on the deer management issues. I see another member didnt recognize you from over there either... Id hardly think theyd see you as a threat to the status quo. lol.