Pa game commission & audubon at it again
01-19-2010 | 09:56 AM
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"You have often ducked tough questions by claiming to have answered before."
Figured it wouldnt be long before you were up to those same old tricks, telling a complete and total fabrication trying to support your argument.
Figured it wouldnt be long before you were up to those same old tricks, telling a complete and total fabrication trying to support your argument.
01-19-2010 | 10:12 AM
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OK fine, I must have missed it. In the interest of civil debate and not letting it deteriorate, I'm asking you to kindly repeat it or provide a link. Wouldn't that be easier than exchanging another half dozen posts? Besides, you have an opportunity to prove me wrong. You might even find that enjoyable
Oh, and while your at it could you please answer the question I asked?
01-19-2010 | 10:15 AM
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Btb says:
"Doug's question leads to another as well..... please explain how Audubon specifically is dictating PGC policy. It should be easy if your claims are valid. "
"Doug's question leads to another as well..... please explain how Audubon specifically is dictating PGC policy. It should be easy if your claims are valid. "
Do you know who bryon shissler is? lmao. The man who helped structure the very plan you support! With ties to audubon, dcnr/pgc liason who was part of the deer management team!!lol.
Or...How many times have we discussed the audubon deer report??? The one and the same that pgc gave credits to on their website where they discuss our deer plan changes which i have pointed out before.. Though who knows with the new site overhaul, god only knows whats there now and what isnt.. Or maybe we should AGAIN discuss the effects of their 80 some "special bird areas" ? How about audubon suggesting we go to "habitat based management" and goals of biodiversity?, suggest we hire new biodiversity biologists, and a whole host of other things and VOILA! Just like magic there they are! lol.
Or perhaps we can talk about the Petitioning on pgcs behalf to keep the plan in progress continuously, all the while "partnering" with pgc on so many "biodiversity" issues. Perhaps youd prefer to take a closer look at some of their web pages where they say right out they played an instrumental role in getting this all going?...
Telling the full story and giving every detail would be like writing a lengthy book. you could educate yourself on the topic. Might make for more interesting conversation.
Naaa. Easier to just ignore it all and screech, "you didnt answer, you didnt answer" i guess.
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01-19-2010 | 10:22 AM
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We just missed each other...lol. You posted while i was posting.
"OK fine, I must have missed it. In the interest of civil debate and not letting it deteriorate, "
Agreed.
"I'm asking you to kindly repeat it or provide a link. "
"Wouldn't that be easier than exchanging another half dozen posts?"
Not whenever the information is scattered widely across 20 or 30 posts made in the last year! You know its not a "two sentence" explanation either. And i already pointed out alot of it in very short summarization above. You want a link to a thread. Start with this one. Not sure why you'd need anything else when it addresses the issue, to a good extent. If you have a problem with anything in particular, I'll help you with it if i can.
" Besides, you have an opportunity to prove me wrong. You might even find that enjoyable"
Gee that would really be something "different" eh? lol.
"OK fine, I must have missed it. In the interest of civil debate and not letting it deteriorate, "
Agreed.
"I'm asking you to kindly repeat it or provide a link. "
"Wouldn't that be easier than exchanging another half dozen posts?"
Not whenever the information is scattered widely across 20 or 30 posts made in the last year! You know its not a "two sentence" explanation either. And i already pointed out alot of it in very short summarization above. You want a link to a thread. Start with this one. Not sure why you'd need anything else when it addresses the issue, to a good extent. If you have a problem with anything in particular, I'll help you with it if i can.
" Besides, you have an opportunity to prove me wrong. You might even find that enjoyable"
Gee that would really be something "different" eh? lol.
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01-19-2010 | 10:25 AM
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Lol. Again, how many times must this stuff be posted?? Does any of this sound even vaguely familiar? lol.
Do you know who bryon shissler is? lmao. The man who helped structure the very plan you support! With ties to audubon, dcnr/pgc liason who was part of the deer management team!!lol.
Or...How many times have we discussed the audubon deer report??? The one and the same that pgc gave credits to on their website where they discuss our deer plan changes which i have pointed out before.. Though who knows with the new site overhaul, god only knows whats there now and what isnt.. Or maybe we should AGAIN discuss the effects of their 80 some "special bird areas" ? How about audubon suggesting we go to "habitat based management" and goals of biodiversity?, suggest we hire new biodiversity biologists, and a whole host of other things and VOILA! Just like magic there they are! lol.
Or perhaps we can talk about the Petitioning on pgcs behalf to keep the plan in progress continuously, all the while "partnering" with pgc on so many "biodiversity" issues. Perhaps youd prefer to take a closer look at some of their web pages where they say right out they played an instrumental role in getting this all going?...
Telling the full story and giving every detail would be like writing a lengthy book. you could educate yourself on the topic. Might make for more interesting conversation.
Naaa. Easier to just ignore it all and screech, "you didnt answer, you didnt answer" i guess.
Do you know who bryon shissler is? lmao. The man who helped structure the very plan you support! With ties to audubon, dcnr/pgc liason who was part of the deer management team!!lol.
Or...How many times have we discussed the audubon deer report??? The one and the same that pgc gave credits to on their website where they discuss our deer plan changes which i have pointed out before.. Though who knows with the new site overhaul, god only knows whats there now and what isnt.. Or maybe we should AGAIN discuss the effects of their 80 some "special bird areas" ? How about audubon suggesting we go to "habitat based management" and goals of biodiversity?, suggest we hire new biodiversity biologists, and a whole host of other things and VOILA! Just like magic there they are! lol.
Or perhaps we can talk about the Petitioning on pgcs behalf to keep the plan in progress continuously, all the while "partnering" with pgc on so many "biodiversity" issues. Perhaps youd prefer to take a closer look at some of their web pages where they say right out they played an instrumental role in getting this all going?...
Telling the full story and giving every detail would be like writing a lengthy book. you could educate yourself on the topic. Might make for more interesting conversation.
Naaa. Easier to just ignore it all and screech, "you didnt answer, you didnt answer" i guess.
Oh and again, where did Audubon DICTATE any game land use policy?
01-19-2010 | 10:27 AM
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Doug
the parking lot that corny is talking about was always there. It's a parking lot that was built long ago for small game hunters to park in and shot stocked ditch chickens. The the "eye sore" pavillion over looks a wetland restoration project that DU paid for. The 15X20 Pavillion probably came out those $$$ as well.
Game lands are managed for all species of wildlife in PA not just the ones loud mouth hunters want to see. Those are the rules. Anyone is free to opt out of the situation by not buying a PA hunting license and going elsewhere to hunt, ie another state or country or preserve.
WV Gino
the parking lot that corny is talking about was always there. It's a parking lot that was built long ago for small game hunters to park in and shot stocked ditch chickens. The the "eye sore" pavillion over looks a wetland restoration project that DU paid for. The 15X20 Pavillion probably came out those $$$ as well.
Game lands are managed for all species of wildlife in PA not just the ones loud mouth hunters want to see. Those are the rules. Anyone is free to opt out of the situation by not buying a PA hunting license and going elsewhere to hunt, ie another state or country or preserve.
WV Gino
That's a very hateful post toward your "fellow" hunters." I assume if we zoomed in we would see Gino and Schissler with eyes glued to their binocs, counting warblers and finches, while the hunters chased the "ditch chickens" nearby.
01-19-2010 | 10:39 AM
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"Kind of apples and oranges but I'll give you a few points for effort. Of course your response lacks any specifics but we kind of expect that."
Oh and again, where did Audubon DICTATE any game land use policy?
Then again, you could look at the picture above one more time. lol.
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01-19-2010 | 10:46 AM
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Gino, did you just take that pic? Or did you conveniently already have it in your collection? One of your favorite places?
Is there some reason why you felt the need to refer to me/us as "loudmouth hunters"? Noone insulted you. Wouldnt think you'd get that kinda reaction from a "fellow hunters" over some dumb old pavillion and someone pointing out the obvious about audubon etc. and their nongame interests???
And when the deer situation gets rectified, the enviro types can always go to one of those fenced in areas to see ton upon ton of unmolested trillium & hobblebush. I wouldve said go to another state, but Im not aware of any where those conditions they are striving for exist.
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"Calls em likes I sees'em."
"Calls em likes I sees'em."
Anyone is free to opt out of the situation by not buying a PA hunting license and going elsewhere to hunt, ie another state or country or preserve.
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01-19-2010 | 10:57 AM
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I have the entire audubon deer report.No where in there does it dictate any special uses for our SGL's.You haven't even come close to showing even the slightest bit of proof that the audubon or Byron Shissler have any input what so ever over of SGL's.We all know that they both want less deer.I still fail to see how they're dictating any policy for the SGL's.