i wish everyone would use COMMON SENSE and do as you do.

Once again BTB just makes up claims he can't support. Post the quotes from those that oppose the DMP that made multiple kills. You can't do it because you just made it up!!

The PGC is not balancing the herd with the habitat and if you had read the DCNR DMAP reports you would know that reducing the herd is not allowing the forest to regenerate. But then again, you never let the facts interfere with your unfounded opinions.

As far as I know BB Dougie spreads out with his harvests.He got a couple at treasure lake and a few with dmaps.Interesting you brought this up.Our camp stopped shooting doe a few years back when we could see what the results of HR were going to be.It has kept our area alive and still kicking but each year it gets alittle worse.We know the area very well and if the five or six of us popped a doe each year it would really be grim.I'm not trying to brag but we get a pretty good idea of what deer we saved each year.For instance a group of doe we all passed on made it up to the last day of ml.Now they gotta dodge the poachers and yotes.On the other hand we also save a few does for a few who harvest two in a year.Again not trying to brag but if we would cut loose and harvest multiple doe in a season we could really put a damper on the place.
To put it in perspective to the regular ground grunt hunter,now a days seeing 3 or 4 deer in a day is a damn good day.We definately could change that to 1 or none a day.
But you know what?It shouldn't be this way.With the access and habitat the anterless allocations should be cut in this particular area.That should be the PGC's job to make those changes.

I agree 100%. The PGC doesnt kill the deer, hunters do. A little more common sense from within our ranks can work wonders.

Hey Sproul, have you read RSB's thread about the deer numbers on the "other" board? It's very fair, pretty well thought out and well written. If you havent seen it you might want to go take a look. Guaranteed to give you something to ponder for a while.

I saw them BT.I definately feel once you bring the deer numbers to a certain level predators will keep them from increasing.RSB says cutting back or eliminating doe tags wouldn't help in that case but I strongly disagree.How can you not save a couple doe from hunters?
I admit RSB has alot of knowledge but I still disagree with him at times.He aint God so that means he aint perfect.

I'm not going to spend a bunch of time chasing posts that are right here and you know thay are but here's just one example....You can go look yourself for more if you like but you really should check your facts before you accuse someone of making things up

Now that's pretty funny. You found one guy that killed a buck and a BB to make your case. Now all you have to do is find a couple thousand more unhappy hunters that did the same thing and you might make your case.

Absolutely positively right Rich! He aint God, he's human. I've disagreed with him on more than one issue myself. I'm still deciding wher I agree and disagree with him on this but I think you'll agree that his theories all have some basis in fact. We'd probably differ on some of them I'm sure but he is out there being hands on every day while many if not most among us will never come close to his real world, hands on experience with the issue.


As for cutting back or eliminating doe tags, and this is just my opinion mind you, I would guess that stopping doe tags even for a year in the NC would create a firestorm like we've never seen. Sure, lots of 2G hunters think there arent enough deer, but someone keeps buying up all those tags in record time and unless I'm mistaken, the DMAPS fly off the shelves as well.

BTB,

This is the DCNR report from Elk SF in 2g. Is this the kind of regeneration you think HR should have produced.

WMU has the lowest DD of any WMU in the state and DCNR says only 2.55% of the plots had adequate regeneration!!!

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And when that doesnt happen pgcs job is to ensure it does.



Ha ha ha. I almost spit ice tea over my monitor upon reading that! lol. Which part? The post where he says a while back that we should have unlimited doe tags? The one where he says hunters & legislators who dont agree with pgc deer plan should all be forced to "take smart pills, like you would worm a dog". Or maybe the infamous "Id like to see hunters take their money and take a flying leap"?...Oh, wait, that one was here wasnt it?

Yeah, good ol' Rsbs posts are fair, well thought out and all that stuff. lmao. He is definately the most "extreme in his views" supporter of pgc policy ive seen on any board ever on the internet, and that my friend is sayin' sumthin!