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bluebird2 12-09-2009 03:31 PM


t about all the buck killed and not found in bow season or injured should those people be punished?
Not unless the PGC makes it illegal to wound a deer and not recover it.

sproulman 12-09-2009 06:08 PM

the law says it must have point 1 inch long.that buck was a legal buck that had the antler bro off leaving say a inch or less,i think it was very close to inch anyway.
the AR was to give buck chance to live to at least 2 yrs or more.that buck was over 2 yrs old.
rule says 1 inch.if not 1 inch its not legal.but a buck with bro off point that has a inch or close LEFT,if i was WCO i would not arrest him.

BTBowhunter 12-09-2009 06:42 PM


Originally Posted by sproulman (Post 3525177)
the law says it must have point 1 inch long.that buck was a legal buck that had the antler bro off leaving say a inch or less,i think it was very close to inch anyway.
the AR was to give buck chance to live to at least 2 yrs or more.that buck was over 2 yrs old.
rule says 1 inch.if not 1 inch its not legal.but a buck with bro off point that has a inch or close LEFT,if i was WCO i would not arrest him.

Exactly right Sproul!! A common sense interperetation that recognizes the spirit of the law as the guideline.

bluebird2 12-09-2009 07:01 PM

There is no common sense to having ARs in PA. Therefore , if the PGC wants to have ARs then they should enforce the laws they put in place to protect the 1.5 buck as intended.

BTBowhunter 12-09-2009 07:28 PM


Originally Posted by bluebird2 (Post 3525263)
There is no common sense to having ARs in PA. Therefore , if the PGC wants to have ARs then they should enforce the laws they put in place to protect the 1.5 buck as intended.


Enforcing the law while applying common sense is exactly what should be done and is exactly what WCO RWJ said was likely to happen when he asked you to please quit with this nonsense

bluebird2 12-10-2009 04:17 AM

Applying common sense is one thing and applying and enforcing the law is another. Maybe you like to tell us just where the cut off point might be that makes a point illegal and mistaken kill or intention violation? Will a WCO apply common sense if the point is half and inch or does it have to be over .75"? Will a new Deputy WCO apply the same common sense as seasoned WCO?

It may be nonsense to you and RWJ, but for many hunters it means the difference between getting their buck or eating tag soup. For some it may also mean the difference of paying a fine and losing their buck.

WV Gino 12-10-2009 04:38 AM

>Maybe you like to tell us just where the cut off point might be that makes a point illegal and mistaken kill or intention violation?

I will. I heard that CO's were told to "round up" when AR reg went into effect. That is 0.5" or half inch gets round up to the nearest inch or 1.0", ie legal point.

Now move on to something else to complain about.

WV Gino

bluebird2 12-10-2009 05:15 AM


I will. I heard that CO's were told to "round up" when AR reg went into effect. That is 0.5" or half inch gets round up to the nearest inch or 1.0", ie legal point
I heard they were told to "round up" from .75", so now we know as much as we did before.

blkpowder 12-10-2009 06:47 AM


Originally Posted by bluebird2 (Post 3525479)
I heard they were told to "round up" from .75", so now we know as much as we did before.



Shoot one that the points are a little shy of a full inch. Call a CO and ask him to check your harvest to see if it's legal. Then and only then, I believe you will have the answer you are looking for.

Screamin Steel 12-10-2009 07:09 AM


Originally Posted by sproulman (Post 3525177)
the law says it must have point 1 inch long.that buck was a legal buck that had the antler bro off leaving say a inch or less,i think it was very close to inch anyway.
the AR was to give buck chance to live to at least 2 yrs or more.that buck was over 2 yrs old.
rule says 1 inch.if not 1 inch its not legal.but a buck with bro off point that has a inch or close LEFT,if i was WCO i would not arrest him.


I see your point about the intent and purposes of AR....What of the occasional mature, older buck that has either broken some or most of his tines, or just developed into- say a large, four point rack. (I have seen this myself twice. One was actually a large spike that was 5 1/2 years old.) If A hunter harvested a mature, 4 1/2 year old buck, field dressing near 200 lbs or more...that had large massive y's on both sides, and we penalize him for killing an obviously large and mature animal, as well as culling an inferior buck from the herd...an animal that was protected and given additional breeding opportunities expressly under our current regulation. I note with interest that some states now considering point based restrictions, are doing so hesitantly, as they are VERY concerned with any possibility of high grading their buck herd. I'd have to say, that in my opinion, there should exist a clause that would vindicate any hunter who upon delivering his buck to a WCO, could establish reasonably- due to body size, and other characteristics, that his buck was obviously age 3.5 or older, that he should be pardoned.
It would lay that burden of proof entirely on the hunter...challenging his ability in those rare opportunities, to age a deer on the hoof, and if he is correct, he would be vindicated. If his ability is lacking, he pays the fine. You can bet he would be darn sure, before pulling the trigger.


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