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Here you go. Click and view you area.

http://www.deerhunting.ws/densitymap.htm#

I'am at 30 -45

It would really be interesting to know how they arrived at the DPSM for PA when the PGC claims they don't know how many deer we have in each WMU.
Unfortunately, it appears the estimates aren't very accurate since the map shows Bucks Co. has 0-15 DPSM when in fact the population is much higher than their estimate.

30-45 for me also

Im guessing the data used is outdated. Pgc annual reports data showed the densities in the highest density wmu in the state was less than 25 overwinter deer per square mile.

that being the case, A post season deer density of less than 25 doesnt equate to preason 45+. Preseason densities of "over 45" would be impossible unless bucks have started having fawns.

Ive seen the same inaccuracies for other states on the qdma map. Pretty clear map sales, not accuracy was the main concern.

Pgc specific data:

Ive seen deer densities discussed on a few different threads on various sections of this board lately, seems to be alot of contradicting info about states including Pa. Here is what Pa game commission says about Pa:

Keep in mind the deer density managed for is the POST SEASON deer density and therefore when speaking of preseason it will be higher... According to pgc data the POSTSEASON density highest in state is under 25 dpsm, but to compare apples to apples we'll stick with the management meaningless preseason data as shown on the qdma map.

Anyway here goes-- According to the 2006 annual report shows the highest deer density in the state as 40 dpsm. preseason Scroll to page 12 Table 8.
http://www.pgc.state.pa.us/pgc/lib/pgc/reports/2006_wildlife/21001-05.pdf

That higest wmu was 2A. On the 2008 annual report, there is a chart showing the changes in deer density since 2004.

Scroll down to table 8 page 18. http://www.pgc.state.pa.us/pgc/lib/p.../21001-07z.pdf On it, the ow deer density declined by 7% in 2006 and another 9% in 2007 in that wmu. Therefore the density HAS to be lower now than it was in 2006 so the preseason density is lower than the 40 it was in 2006... Therefore the highest preseason density in the state has to be lower than 40 and absolutely must be in the 30's according to that data.

Yet the qdma map shows it at OVER 45!...and a LARGE area. lmao. Wouldnt be bad if it were only off a couple of dpsm, but thats a pretty significant (huge) statistical percentage error.

Ive seen the same for many if not most other areas of the state and other states as well on the qdma map.

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when we did the poo counts in youngwomans creek OF CLINTON COUNTY WMU2G they said 2 years ago it was 40 dpsm.NO WAY CLOSE .last winter we did survey again.this time they said 22 dpsm,NO WAY.

I WOULD SAY 10 IS PUSHING IT IN THAT AREA AND THAT AREA IS SURROUNDED BY PRIVATELAND.our deer feeder counts this winter with cameras is about best you can get.avg was 4 to 6 dpsm in best areas.1 feeder had 11 but was near privateland.
but they swear that 22 dpsm is FACT .i was nice enough not to try to get smarty pants with them but only the city slickers that are 1 day year hunters ever believed that.or the ones that want to be WANNABEE.you have to laugh when you see people trying to go up the ladder.they will kiss butt and act like TEAM MEMBER .

no one pulls wool over old sprouls head...:lolabove:

Their saying my area of 4D is greater than 45 dpsm,,,im calling BS!

I think this deer density map is a joke. Look at this link:
http://www.dcnr.state.pa.us/news/new...aerialdeer.htm

yes that was in 2006.those 11 dpsm is now 6,18 is now 8 and so on .thats example ,no way herd increased from 2006 to now.funnny, qdma shows areas 30 or more dpsm.
i swear they must think we are bunch of dummys.:wave:

It appears that the page on the QDMA link is dated 2005. If it was published in 2005, the data would be a year or two older than that. That would, of course, lead to a margin for error anywhere but would be especially noticeable in many parts of PA. It would be interesting and valuable if that chart had footnotes that cited to source of the data for each state or region. This map has been out for awhile but I cant find any links thst give a clue when or how often it gets updated.

well the QDMA was at our last poo check in youngwomans creek in 2008.they had a dpsm at 40 ,oh my.so they got more into it and said,SPROUL THERE ARE ONLY 22 DPSM NOW.:jaw:not 1 of these people hunt this area for as long as me.most dont hunt there at all.for some reason they have to say there are 3 times as many deer as there are.then when a hunter says he is not seeing a deer there they say,THERE IS MORE THAN KILLING A DEER TO ENJOY WOODS:eek2:
this is a DMAP area and guess where they use DMAPS.:rolleye0011:not there they go up summerson mtn and use them on privateland where its NOT DMAP area.
then say that SPROUL CORN IS KILLING DEER, I FOUND 7 DEAD DEER IN 1 AREA FROM EATING CORN.i said, ANY PICTURES,NO.DID YOU NOTIFY THE PGC ,NO..............

I COULD SEE IF IT WAS A COUGAR THAT EAT CORN AND YOU COULD NOT GET PICTURE.i swear some must think we hunters are bunch of nit-wits:hit:

Yep. Its dated data. Found this on lowcountry hunting.com.


"In 2001 the Quality Deer Management Association (QDMA) produced a map showing the estimated deer density by county for the lower 48 states. The map also included deer herd and harvest information, the estimated number of deer-vehicle collisions and QDM trend information. The map contained data provided by state wildlife agencies from 1994 to 1999. The map has been extremely popular as it is a valuable reference to compare relative deer densities, harvest data and other herd statistics among states. Recently, QDMA updated the map with information obtained from state wildlife agencies. The new map contains information from 2001 to 2005 and noticeable changes have occurred since the initial map was produced. The data set is not complete as a few states didnt provide data and some didnt provide all of the requested information, but the submitted information provides for meaningful comparisons among states and between the 2001 map and the present. "

Only understandable that the data would be behind considering the magnitude of the project, but imho because of that, it does more harm than good by providing large inaccuracies in states with significantly changing deer herds, and effects public perception by unintentionally misleading them. If i read that correctly, there have only been 2 of these maps made. One using data from 1994 to 1999 and the last one using data from 2001 to 2005. That explains alot. Pretty clear the Pa data was taken from early 2000's when much of our reduction hadnt yet occurred. This is not a bad idea to have such maps, but would be far more beneficial if each states came from their own management agency. That way it wouldnt be such a huge undertaking, would be using already in house data, and could be easily updated yearly.

http://lowcountryhunting.com/2008/07...cas-deer-herd/

That QDM map is a joke. Any fool with a half a brain know that in Tioga and Potter Counties, the deer population per square mile north of Rt 49 in DOUBLE IF NOT TRIPLE what it is south of 49. I see they have Bee Tree Hollow in Tioga County at 15-30. If it's much more than 10 in truth I'd be shocked.