What data van you provide that shows that the 2.5+ buck produced by ARs are bigger than the 2.5+ buck prior to ARs. The only data I have seen that indicated and increase in the size of 2.5+ buck ,was the flawed data from the KQDC.

Protecting 50% of the 1.5 buck reduces the odds that the average hunter who is satisfied with a spike will see a legal buck, while increasing the odds that a rack hunter will see a buck that meets his standards. It's just that simple.

I'm sure the truth and data is out there somewhere. But for me, I ran into more bucks that I would judge as being 2.5+ years of age before ARs were implemented. 2001 was one year that I'll never forget. Healthy, nice racked bucks everywhere.

Myself, I don't believe, from my observations, that a 2009 2.5 year old buck is any bigger or healthier than a 2.5 year old buck prior to AR. There may be slight exceptions either on plus side or minus side depending on variables such as previous winter conditions, food availability etc. But I don't think it's significant.

Alt was a liar.I'll be the first one to admit it.However,he or no one else ever claimed the average size of 2.5 years old bucks would increase.

I ain't got the time to dig it up right now. But he did say "healthier and bigger bucks and more of them". Whether or not he was talking about bigger and healthier 2.5 year old bucks is anybodies guess, but the main focus was moving more 1.5s into the 2.5 class. The more of them part was BS. And from the amount of body fat that I see on bucks that are harvested during rifle season, the healthier part was bogus to IMHO.

The only way we could have "more and larger buck than ever before" is if the 2.5+ bucks produced by ARs would be larger than the 2.5+ buck pre-AR. Furthermore, the guys from KQDC are claiming their 2.5+ buck are bigger now than in 2002.
Alt also said ARs would double the number of 8 pt. buck and the only way that could happen is if more 2.5+ buck produced more points than 2.%+ buck priorr to ARs.

That's pure nonsense.The guy said we'd have more and bigger bucks.That was a stupid comment because it's impossible to have more bucks when you plan to reduce the herd by 50%.He did not however claim we'd have bigger 2.5 year olds.That's a flat out lie bb and you know it.

We shoot more bucks, and they are bigger (racked) than what we used to shoot.
Can't get any more plain than that.
Sorry if this offends you. I don't claim to speak for everyone.

No offense. Where's this at?

2f .

No, you are the one that is lying, because it would be impossible to have, "Larger buck than ever seen before" if the size of the 2.5+ buck didn't increase due to ARs.
Alt did not just say hunters would see more big buck than ever before, he said those bucks would also be bigger than ever before.
That is a fact and the only way you can deny it is to lie.