I think its pretty well established and common knowledge that Alt & Pgc are/were liars. Most of the few who support pgc here say right out that Alt was a liar. Funny thing is, Alt left, but not much else has changed, other than we have even fewer deer now, then when he left. Same bs. lies are being told.... So why would ANYONE support pgc???....Other than being close friends or family members of pgc staff etc. Only thing I can think of. Otherwise Its baffling.

Of course you've left out something very important.....CONTEXT

Gary Alt definitely overstepped his bounds with his speeches at times but in the meetings I attended, the "long term" was explained as uncharted territory. Alt flat out admitted that we wouldnt know all the long term effects till time showed us. He did talk about the possibilities for a buck who learned to survive one year being better able to survive past 2.5. The number of 3.5+ bucks has not changed as much as we all hoped and as much as Alt either believed or wanted us to believe. That does not translate to a claim that the average buck of any given age class would be bigger.

Thats how the "more and bigger bucks" was explained in the meetings I attended. No, it hasnt lived up to our highest hopes but I notice that you avoid the fact that that Alt said hundreds of times that this was uncharted territory and that mistakes would undoubtedly be made. Whats not a mistake is that there was never a promise that bucks of the same age class would be bigger after AR and that whole thing is nothing more than a lie and distortion.

As an example of mistakes Alt even cited some big mistakes that had already been made IE: the one year (around 2000/2001) that doe season opened on the last Saturday of the traditional "buck" season and resulted in more than doubling the traditional buck kill on that day.

Personally, I'm glad he's gone, but thats the CONTEXT of the "more and bigger bucks" statement in the meetings I attended

Yep, anyone with a different viewpoint is a liar or a PGC employee.

Have you ever told your shrink about these paranoid delusions?
No matter, you'd just yell liar liar at him too! LOL

"Yep, anyone with a different viewpoint is a liar"

No. You just dont like it pointed out when you lie.

"or a PGC employee."

No. I never said anyone with a different viewpoint was. I spoke of a PARTICULAR viewpoint on particular issue. I also didnt say anyone in particular was. Just trying to make sense where none exists.

"No matter, you'd just yell liar liar at him too! LOL "

No. I dont use the term loosely and just throw it around. I and others here usually reserve that for YOU since YOU are usually the one guilty of it.:busted:

"Personally, I'm glad he's gone,"

Why?

That was not a mistake and had no effect on the 2002 buck harvest . If ARs hadn't been implemented the 2002 buck harvest would have been over 200K just like in 2000 and 2001.


[QUOTE]Thats how the "more and bigger bucks" was explained in the meetings I attended. No, it hasnt lived up to our highest hopes but I notice that you avoid the fact that that Alt said hundreds of times that this was uncharted territory and that mistakes would undoubtedly be made. Whats not a mistake is that there was never a promise that bucks of the same age class would be bigger after AR and that whole thing is nothing more than a lie and distortion/QUOTE]

That is your very biased opinion based on your selective memory. The written word tells the real story and that is Alt claimed our 2.5+ buck would be bigger due to dominant breeding and an improved breeding ecology.

Yes you did say exactly that on this page!

[quote=bluebird2;3455800]That was not a mistake and had no effect on the 2002 buck harvest . If ARs hadn't been implemented the 2002 buck harvest would have been over 200K just like in 2000 and 2001.
[QUOTE] You may not think so but Gary Alt most definitely called that a mistake

Please provide a link to the "written word" where Alt says specifically that any bucks would increase in size within an age class. Not your 4th grade english teacher opinion, not your interperetation, but a specific claim.

It's put up or shut up time..................

"Yes you did say exactly that on this page!"

See, there you go, lying again. I did none of the such. I pondered the possibility of many of those who SUPPORT THE DEER PROGRAM DESPITE ALL THE FACTs. I even went as far as to ASK IT AS A QUESTION.

That doesnt equate to calling anyone who disagrees with me on any issue as pgc employee or family member. You are attempting to distort my statement to make it irrational, when all it does is rationalize about something that would make perfect sense in many cases. I also stated if that wasnt the case with some then im baffled.

you seem to have one helluva hard time interpreting written word. Im trying to be kind in that assessment because Id rather believe that the case than you once again trying to intentionally be deceptive.

I apologize. I am forgetting that third grade grammar is the average skill level in Greene County. I'll let it slide because you probably didnt do it on purpose.