LOL The question, in only that context, with no underlying facts as a preface is impossible to answer accurately. If you were half as smart as you think you are you'd know that.

I think it's time you called it a night. Your getting just plain silly now:rolleye0011:

As you know we were talking about the antlerless harvest in 2G so all the underling facts are available to you. But, because you are clueless and admit to not understanding the plan, the question is far beyond your realm of comprehension.

Nice try, but sorry, you missed again! You said nothing in your question about any WMU. Besides, I have no intention of going through an exercise as dictated by you. You cant accept something as straightforward as the doe mortality studies. You dispute the research of highly trained professionals like Dr Kroll. If you think I'm going to look up that data just so you can twist whatever answer I give you, think again. RSB is a lot better at this stuff than I am and you've dismissed or twisted virtually every response he has ever given you

That is what you posted ,so you raised the issue about the doe harvests controlling the herd in 2G. So put up or shut up. Can you support that claim or are you just another blind PGC supporter buffoon?

If you think that reducing the tags is going to have much effect when 80+% of the deer that die are dying from other causes, you are simply refusing to accept reality therefore no amount of facts are going to satisfy you. I've seen RSB go into great detail in trying to explain things to you. He has far more information available and is far better qualified to discuss 2G than either of us will ever be. You dismiss virtually everything he posts so no, I have no intent of trying to teach the pig to sing. Theres no explaining anything to you. My sole reason for continuing these exchanges with you is to keep your distortions exposed for those new viewers who might be fooled by your distortions if they were allowed to stand unchallenged.

"If you think that reducing the tags is going to have much effect when 80+% of the deer that die are dying from other causes"

"I've seen RSB go into great detail in trying to explain things to you. He has far more information available and is far better qualified to discuss 2G than either of us will ever be."

"My sole reason for continuing these exchanges with you is to keep your distortions exposed for those new viewers who might be fooled by your distortions if they were allowed to stand unchallenged."

And????????

Since you insist on making a fool of yourself, you have forced me to prove to every one that it is you that are making ridiculous distortions.You just claimed that 80% of the deer that are dying in 2G ,die from causes other than hunting.In 2008 hunters in 2G harvested 3.2 DPSM and if that represented 20% of the total mortality then a total of 16 DPSM died in 2G from the beginning of hunting season.That means that the non-hunting mortality would have to be a ridiculous 13 DPSM. Even during the most severe winters, the PGC hasn't reported a winterkill rate anywhere close to that,but you claim it happens all the time.

So , you took a figure from the doe mortality study,which the PGC admitted did not represent the actual harvest rate, and twisted and distorted it to mean something entirely different that ,made no sense whatsoever.

Do you have any idea how large 2G is? What part of 2G was the studies done on? There is no way all of 2G was studied. That is like taking the whole USA and just evaluating Alaska and setting up the whole countries argriculture from that state. And that is exactly how the WMUs are being controlled.

They had the answers for 2G long before Gary Alts roadshow started. We had it pretty good here. A decent deer herd and decent bucks. Healthy deer. They ruined it all for us. This from January 2001 in habitat that mysteriously went form good to poor:

http://www.dcnr.state.pa.us/polycomm...points0101.htm