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Id like to see the Nogamelands that have a low deer heard to be stocked by the game commission.There so many deer farms in the State ,that Im sure they would help with a cost reduction if the state bought ,lets say 20,000 deer with canadian genes.I would not mined paying 100 a year for a license if the money was used for that purpose.Then maybe I would hunt the nogamelands that my general tax dollar supports. Even if they used 50 of the license dollars at 1 million licenses sold they would have 50 million to buy deer,Now thats alot of quality deer. And I would gladly pay 100 for a license for a chance to shoot a nice deer.Then we all would be happy.Would beat seeing 50 hunters and 3 deer a week. I dont expect ,many hunters to support my idea,but thats what I would do if I had control.A buck in every pickup would be my motto.

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Putting even 20,000 deer of Canadian strain into a herd of 1.5 million would do nothing, genetically.

We have the genes right now. Look at the Potter Co buck in the Game News from the 2001 season. That little girl sure knows we have the genes.

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Yea ,Im happy for the girl,but how many of them deer did you see like that this year? Hey I should of said do the stocking every year,I did not mean once and done ,then give up like the PGC has been known for since creation.

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Cardeer...I'd be careful volunteering to pay $100 for your license. It may come true...whether the deer are stocked or not.

As far as stocking deer...It may work---for a while. Problem is that if there's a reason that the herd is not in good shape now, that problem will return in a few years.

It's just like when they introduce FL strain bass in Ohio. There are monster bass for a few years...then the fish develop the breeding/eating/hibernating habits of the Ohio fish. Pretty soon, we have a lake full of 2.5 pound bass.

JMHO

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They tried that with putting chinese pheasants In my area.Even though you couldn't hunt them for 4yrs in that area they found out alot died anyway.
They were after a hardier bird and thought the breeding of the chinese pheasant
with our own would produce this.They did surveys every year for 4yrs and found that the birds survival rate was no different then before.I am talking about pheasants not deer but just wonder if it may not be much of a differents overall.Also you would have to put a limit on the new bucks somehow or you would be defeating your purpose.

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HEY CARDEER, here is something that you can do. Come down to Indiana County, we can go trap some of those brutes around here, we will then take them up there and put them on your property. FREE OF CHARGE, how does that sound? <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>



OOOOOOO yeah, I almost forgot, if we do that, then you have to take me on a hunt in Illinois. You can pay for it all and you can be my guide. hahahaha <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle><img src=icon_smile_evil.gif border=0 align=middle>

Good Luck This Season: Buck Magnet
P.S. Only Chuck Adams can sit at home and see deer so get into the woods. =;^)

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CD lwhat do you mean non gamelands, State Forest ground, private property,state parks, they could release some in Sproul State Forest where I hunt in Clinton Countyand let the genetics get bred in to the local herd.

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Cardeer, there are plenty of bucks like that in Potter County. Don't kid yourself and think there aren't. Lots of old bucks up there.

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BTW CD, your idea of doing it yearly is about as foolish as contraception for does. I really can't believe people can think like this.

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I am not going to jump all over you Cardeer....

....but I have one question and one statement.

What is &quot;NO&quot;Gamelands?

And....

...Do you honestly think they would go for importing more deer into a state that, in general, is trying to reduce the deer herd?

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NO gamelands? A place that has the wrong name ,cause there aint no big game&gt; Animals&gt; Deer there. Tree rats yes. Again What do people call lots of deer? Compared to what?I call seeing 30 deer a day good 50 a day just right. And yes you can have lots of deer and still have lots of big bucks. You need to spread your wings and detach yourself once and a while from the anchor that holds you here.I can take you to at least 5 states that you will see 50 deer a day and come home with a B & C 90 % of the time. Pa can be that way to if the PGC would spend our money with the hunter in mind instead of the big compaies that butter there wallets. Ship the stinkin timber companies off the gamelands and manage the place like a garden of Eden instead of a match company.I've hunted in many states and am just relating what goes on elsewhere. Im going either to Iowa Missouri,Kansas or Ill. again next year. Go with and you will learn something.The PGC aint God.Again Some of Alts ideas are OK ,but ,yes it bothers the heck out of me that he exspects us to hunt on gamelands and he hunts on a private pay club. I think he should practice what he preaches or get off the pulpit. Oh and alot of the other states private landowners manage there land the way they see fit And I guarantee you ,Private land will always be better hunting.Cause they manage it for there concerns not some company or politician

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First we have to find states that want to sell these 20,000 deer, then we have to catch the buggers, transport them, make sure they don't have Chronic Wasting disease.......... Let me see, at $500 per buck, well, ya'll do that math.

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Cardeer ,You say you would pay 100 bucks, Well In the live free or die state If I buy all my tags GUN,MUZZY,BOW,DOE TAG,spring Turkey,bear, Its pushing that now, and we only have about 3to 4 deer per sq mile. I forgot the moose tag by permit only around 100 dollars.BTW all deer are small the first two years, come up here and help me chase the bigone hes bein around for years and only one guy saw him but couldnt shoot because of arthites.... My dad shot two wall hangers In potter,and sullivan.....

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I use to smoke that stuff too Cardeer. It will kill you. :)

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Heck upatree...In Ohio, I had $115 in my license last year, and that was just for 2 deer/3turkeys. We don't even have moose! LOL

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I hope your not advocating in-season stockings! I bet the truck followers would be way worse than we get in trout season<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

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Yeah heck, just shoot em as they come off the truck! I still can't believe we are even discussing this...........

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That's a good one.
The state wants to decrease the herd, and they're gonna stock? C'mon.
Can you tell me what states I'm 90% sure I can come home with a B&C after a season? Get real, man, there's no such place.
BTW, stocking doesn't work at all. There's been many, many studies done in southern states that tried this, most notably Texas A&M and Alabama University studies. They all conclude the imported deer are more than likely to die the first year, and rarely breed successfully. Even if they didn't, it's a ridiculous idea.

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6ptsika,Well you all misunderstood most what I was trying to relate. I've been to Iowa three times three B&C buck. And in 2000 I seen over 120 deer in 3 days ,probably 20 150 score bucks on a farm ,not fenced either,I lived and still own property in Duval County Texas ,Same there. I can see some of you never ventured very far in your hunting careers.I think I only have a couple deer pics from Iowa posted on my pic site so far.But in the next couple weeks I will dig thru my storage sheds and post some 170 score bucks from Iowa,all in one year after the other. Biologist are smart ,but come on are you going to believe most of them that are employed by politicians or believe the visual truth. I seen the deer farms and ranchs with there breeding programs.Believe me if they all would die ,them places would go out of business.I dont mean this as nasty or want to come off as a stuck up person,and believe me I,m not, and would give my right arm to help someone.But some of you guys need to get a life and go see whats else is out there in hunting opportunities. Before I started hunting or living in other states I thought the sun rose and set on Pa and there deer huntin to. I still like it here ,cause I can shoot as many does as I want in the special regs area in the surbuban communities with out spending much money. What are you guys going to do if and when the Pgc achieves a good buck population in Pa and all of a sudden the private land is leased up by outfitters and they want 2000 to shoot a buck? And the Gamelands will still stink.Like I said throw the stinkin timber companies off the gamelands and start farming 30 % of it like other places do.One good Example in Pa .Is blue marsh state huntin area in Berks county.Now there the PGC is doing it right wood ,crops, woods crops thru out the whole area.And Im for a total of a 6 pt antler restriction except youth in Pa. So see I do agree with Alt on some things.When I move back to Texas and get things goin there again You all will be welcome and for free,you just get there.You wont want to come home.And you would never believe how the Texas game commission listens and helps and cooperates with the hunters. www.community.webshots.com/user/cardeer51

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Cardeer,I stated that if other bucks were to be brought in to Pa,they would have to put a limit on the new bucks coming in or you would be defeeting the purpose.If you could shoot every big buck including the ones brought in to breed
right off the bat,you would end up with the same Pa deer herd you had from the beginning.It would be like this next year,If the only bucks legal,are the same bucks they are complaining about not getting a chance to breed the doe because of all the littler bucks around who will breed the doe when the big legal bucks are dead.Also sooner or later you have to look at both the upper end and the lower end of the deer herd when they are born, and protect both in some way.
I am not mad at you cardeer, I think people that (attack) others on here just because of their opinions need to get a life.I just think that if your idea was put in place the first year you know who would have a season on shoot all the new big bucks and where would we be then besides out of the money spent for it.

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Buck you right ,they sure would have to put a limit on the bucks,better yet close down a section that were stocked.Do a small amount at a time.Yhat is the PGC goal ? right to bring the buck to doe ratio in line.So save the bucks and build them up and maybe we would not have to kill all the does to a point where huntin is like sittin looking at a Television that aint even turned on.But then you have the heated food source problem.Cant expect the deer to eat twigs and survive.Ah I care ,but getting feed up with the PGC's half hearted attempt to please the timber companies,the insurance companies and all the closet politicians that have there hands in the pie.Maybe Im all wrong wanting to see deer when I deer hunt.Maybe I'm missing having a great time watching bugs,birds,and tree rats all day.I can see them in my back yard,plus more deer then the gamelands infact. Speaking of that ,I have been having a nice heard of between 15 and 20 visit my winter feeders everyday.Im going to have to get some pics. That reminds me I need to take 20 Lbs of soybeans out for the deer,Adios.

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Cardeer, I guess I did misunderstand you. If your saying they should cancel the timber company's rights, and lease it out to farmers, I'd be all for it. They have a program out west like that, but I forget the name?? They also have the CPR program, which I'm sure could be utilized here. I just don't feel stocking will make any difference. There's plenty of good genetics right now, we just need to give them plenty to eat, and let them live long enough. Improving the habitat has been the answer to just about any similar problem.
BTW, I buy 3-4 nonresident liscenses each year, so I do know what's out there. They didn't get that way by stocking, though, just good habitat and sound management. I'm sure you've been on some great private ranches, but to categorize the whole state as giving up B&C bucks left and right just ain't true.
Pennsylvania, well I sure don't look at as some kind of model program. I think NJ has a way better management program. Smaller zones, good harvest numbers. Same with MD and DE. They've been shooting does in the gun seasons for years, and they give up alot bigger bucks than PA. It just seems to me that PA is getting a late start, but seems to be on the right track?? Just keep shootting the does, letting the bucks grow up, and most importantly, improve the habitat. Why spend $100 dollars to buy deer whn we could spend it to buy land, and then lease it out to farmers? We can grow our own deer.

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I think Cardeers idea is a good one. If we do move the Timber Companies out and start farming/planting HUGE food plots the deer herd will inevitably get better. If we imported 20,000 HUGE Canadian bucks and put them in that area, shut down hunting bucks there for a year or two, the big bucks would have plenty of food, they would be able to breed the does, it would help the deer herd out. I have seen Cardeer's antlers and I am telling you, THIS GUY KNOWS BIG BUCKS. I am pretty sure that he has hunted more big buck areas than a lot of people. The game commission talks about a lack of food for deer on Public Land, this isn't because there are too many deer, it is because they don't have enough farming/food plots.

Good Luck This Season: Buck Magnet
P.S. Only Chuck Adams can sit at home and see deer so get into the woods. =;^)

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Then we can fly to the moon and bring it back to earth for our own hunting preserve. And they lived happily ever after. D-end.