RE: Whats wrong with the gamelands?
 

I agree!!

RE: Whats wrong with the gamelands?
 

As usual BB is full of it.Many ,if not most of our state forests are in the dmap program which allocates thousands more tags to be used there.Because of that alone,it's ridiculous to claim that our state forests and SGL's are being managed at thesame dd goals.

In response to your question,there's nothing worng with the public lands in Pa.

RE: Whats wrong with the gamelands?
 

I did not say they were being managed at the same DD goals. Obviously the goal on SFL is lower than on SGLs. But ,in order to achieve the goal on SFL, the SGLs are managed at the same DD as SFL. There is absolutely no evidence that proves DMAP are effective at reducing DD on SFL more than the herd is being reduced on SGL and the SCS audit make that exact point. Furthermore the SCS audit required DCNR to reduce the herd even in old growth or bioreserve areas that are not managed for timber.

RE: Whats wrong with the gamelands?
 

Hmm.It sounds to me like you're trying to claim that the SGL's are being managed for the same dd's and the state forests.Like I pointed out,that's total nonsense because the state forests get additional antlerless tags to reduce the herd even more.On top of that,much of the state forests timber sales are fenced to keep the deer out and there are very little habitat improvement projects done there.In contrast,our SGL'S do not get extra tags and there are a myriad of habitat improvements to benefit both deer and other wildlife.

RE: Whats wrong with the gamelands?
 

What you fail to realize is that there is a huge difference between managing the land and the habitat compared to managing the herd. I have been saying all along that the CC of SGLs is much higher than SFL , but the herd on both SFL and SGL are managing at the same density goal by the PGC . The fact is you can not provide one single piece of data that shows conclusively that DMAP tags have been effective at reducing the DD on SFL below that of adjoining SGL.

RE: Whats wrong with the gamelands?
 

It doesn't matter.The fasct that they're targeting more tags for the state forests prove that the state forests are being managed for less deer.

You don't have alot of experience hunting on SGL's and state forests do you?Fortunately for the purpose of this discussion,I do.

RE: Whats wrong with the gamelands?
 

No, what it proves is that DCNR is attempting to manage SFL for less deer than SGL. There is no evidence to date that shows they have been effective in accomplishing that goal.
That may be true but you still don't know what you are talking about because you only hunt where the deer are, and avoid the areas there are very few deer.

RE: Whats wrong with the gamelands?
 

Shazam! What an idea!




Better keep this a secret or pretty soon every one will try it.[:o]

RE: Whats wrong with the gamelands?
 

Unfortunately most cannot do that Jim. There are very few areas on Public land where decent deer numbers exist and there are hundreds of thousands of hunters.

There also is NOT room for further harvest by hunters suddenly "seeing the light" without causing further reduction due to current herd size, and the fact the herd is ALREADY being reduced with hunter "skill levels" already, as is.

The solution??

Less tags to allow herd growth.

SHAZAM!:D

RE: Whats wrong with the gamelands?
 

That's not true at all.I hunt turkeys and bear almost exclusively on state land.On top of that,I also putclose to a couple hundred miles a year on horse trails in those same areas.