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So what do the Pa guys think of our newest confirmed commissioner Mr. Bob Sclemmer??
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I haven't had a chance to really dig into much info about him. But from the scuttlebutt I heard at a meetingTuesday night,it looks like his perspectivewill be a refreshing change on the BOCs.
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Im very unsure as well.
I dont know a ton, do know he was on the gov. sportsmen advisory committee... I know that he was a pgc deputy for 30 or 40 years on his bio. Only thing I know positive for sure is that the biggest pgc brownnosers and antideer/ecoextremist viewed posters on the internet are not happy about his confirmation. The usual suspects, Bluetick, JohnS, GTF, DennyF and others from HPA are speaking out against him. So in my book, that puts at least one big PLUS in the win column. But overall, for me, the jury is still out. I hear a lot of rumor among "real hunters" of positive "changes in direction" possibly being on the horizon. I think that may be more a knee jerk reaction of the hunters to the two nonhunterfriendly antideer malcontents Pallone and Schleiden having finally left moreso than anything else. Im not so sure that "change" prediction will be true, but time will tell I suppose. |
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hear a lot of rumor among "real hunters" of positive "changes in direction" possibly being on the horizon. I think that may be more a knee jerk reaction of the hunters to the two nonhunterfriendly antideer malcontents Pallone and Schleiden having finally left moreso than anything else. |
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The usual suspects, Bluetick, JohnS, GTF, DennyF and others from HPA are speaking out against him. |
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Spurs
leave me off that list. I do not know the gentleman nor do I know the first thing about him. I have made one post one the subject over at another board and in fact suggested that people not trash him until they see where he votes on the issues. Wv Gino |
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"I have made one post one the subject over at another board and in fact suggested that people not trash him until they see where he votes on the issues"
I agree Gino. But when all is said and done and this gentleman starts showing his colors, I hope it is YOU guys that are the ones doing the trashing, so the rest of us can rest easy for a nice change of pace. After having to yelp and pizz and moan over Roxy and Shneaky Shleiden, I think its about time for you guys to take a turn. LOL;) |
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I'm not much impressed with how he got there, mostly. The system in place for the vetting of applicants and recommendations to the Gov for those deemed to be suitable,was bypassed and ignored.
This nomination came about directly from the Gov's staff and pushedbythose Senators who supported Schlemmer for the position. That takes us back to how these things used to work: Political connections vs any attempt at interviews, resumesand passing muster from an advisory council. In the current political climate in Harrisburg, no surprise that the nomination passed by a 49 to 1 vote and was taken on fairly short notice, late in the day. Rendell's people wanted Schlemmer, they got Schlemmer. |
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...If that were indeed true, that the governor really handpicked this guy, then one would assume mr. Sclemmer would be antideer and pro-timber, pro ecoextreme minded. The governor being the head of DCNR and all. That being the case, those propgc/pro deer plan guys should be ecstatic.
I and many others are looking for hunter representation. And I dont really care about how the process goes that gets them here. If Sclemmer is that type, great. If he isnt, not so great. But unless changes are made to the system as Im sure most would like to see done with commissioner selection process, nothing will change, and Im certain this deal with sclemmer is far from an isolated incident as far as having politics involved. Odds are, if Sclemmer hadnt been passed over initially and it being so publicized, noone would be making the accusations and most likely would be none the wiser. Course many of us know how crooked the system is and was long before this incident. Who Put pallone up for consideration? Shleiden? Hill? |
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Check WMI's website. I keep waiting to see them appoint Palone and Schleiden to the board of directors....just in time for the audit! Very funny how those PGC flagwavers that laugh when we imply political dirty dealings, and call us conspiracy theorists, happily jump on the same boat when they don't get their way.[:'(]
I'm not much impressed with how he got there, mostly. The system in place for the vetting of applicants and recommendations to the Gov for those deemed to be suitable,was bypassed and ignored. This nomination came about directly from the Gov's staff and pushedbythose Senators who supported Schlemmer for the position. That takes us back to how these things used to work: Political connections vs any attempt at interviews, resumesand passing muster from an advisory council. In the current political climate in Harrisburg, no surprise that the nomination passed by a 49 to 1 vote and was taken on fairly short notice, late in the day. Rendell's people wanted Schlemmer, they got Schlemmer. |
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ORIGINAL: ManySpurs The usual suspects, Bluetick, JohnS, GTF, DennyF and others from HPA are speaking out against him. I don't know nothing about the guy.This time of year is far too busy for me.Unless there's a specific post on a subject,I'm in the dark.It appears that the way he got the seat is full of speculation but once again,I really don't know the facts. What do I work hard at?I don't agree with everything the PGC does.However,I don't buy into the conspiracy theories floating around and I certainly don't think they're trying to ruin hunting.I also understand the need to have less deer and I can live with less.If that makes me an anti deer,flower sniffing,tree hugging eco-weenie,so be it.You certainly don't know me very well. |
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I dont know how many of us think pgc goal is to ruin hunting Doug. I dont see them going out of their way to make us miserable. I think it more like them not giving us/ deer hunting much consideration one way or another. The degradation to our sport is just a nasty little side effect of them catering 100% to other interests. Like the econuts and timber/dcnr. They see how it is effecting us and just do not care apparently. That is what happens when you have people dictating GAME management when hunting isnt an important consideration to them at all. They feel we should be happy as long as there deer actually existing to hunt, no matter how few they decide to "permit" us we should be thankful to them! LOL.[:'(]
This is also not "conspiracty theory" this is exactly what is going on. "I also understand the need to have less deer" As can i. Within reason. But not the lowest dd's in the country! There is no reason to have statewide slaughter to the extent that it has taken place. "and I can live with less." As can I. LIVE. Yet I see no reason to bend over on command. For such extremes as has been implemented there need be very good reason. And Im sorry but unnatural levels of biodiversity that exist nowhere in the country because econuts want our forests to be the trillium and hobblebush gardens of their wet dreams is NOT a good reason for me!! |
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You're just hearing things, if you thought anyone called you anything. It wasn't about you, never is.
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"Check WMI's website. I keep waiting to see them appoint Palone and Schleiden to the board of directors....just in time for the audit! Very funny how those PGC flagwavers that laugh when we imply political dirty dealings, and call us conspiracy theorists, happily jump on the same boat when they don't get their way"
No truer words have ever been spoken SS! . |
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Very funny how those PGC flagwavers that laugh when we imply political dirty dealings, and call us conspiracy theorists, happily jump on the same boat when they don't get their way.[:'(] wow,I didn't realize that Ihad evencommented on the subject.Maybe I was typing in my sleep. I dont know how many of us think pgc goal is to ruin hunting Doug. I dont see them going out of their way to make us miserable. I think it more like them not giving us/ deer hunting much consideration one way or another. The degradation to our sport is just a nasty little side effect of them catering 100% to other interests. Like the econuts and timber/dcnr. They see how it is effecting us and just do not care apparently. |
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I am taking it easy.Not worked up in the least over this post.
I check in daily but lost my password and was too lazy to get a new one. I don't have a whole lot of faith in the roadkilled data they use to determine the health of the herd myself.From 2003-1005 they only checked 112 deer in 2G.That's about 37 deer a year.Thirty of them were fawns and they don't use them anymore to determine herd health.They use 3 year olds and older to determine herd health now and over a 3 year periodonly 64 were checked.I may be wrong but I don't see how that can be statistically significant. What Isee myself and what other that I know see is a different story.I know without any shadow of a doubt that we've seen big improvements in the habitat in many areas over the past several years.I also feel that overall,the deer herd is getting healthier.The size and number of bucks showing up at taxidermists is unreal.There is less deer and it can be a tough pill to swallow at times but redcuing the herd was the right thing to do. |
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There is less deer and it can be a tough pill to swallow at times but redcuing the herd was the right thing to do.
Yep and for many reasons, most of them the right ones. |
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ORIGINAL: DougE I am taking it easy.Not worked up in the least over this post. I check in daily but lost my password and was too lazy to get a new one. I don't have a whole lot of faith in the roadkilled data they use to determine the health of the herd myself.From 2003-1005 they only checked 112 deer in 2G.That's about 37 deer a year.Thirty of them were fawns and they don't use them anymore to determine herd health.They use 3 year olds and older to determine herd health now and over a 3 year periodonly 64 were checked.I may be wrong but I don't see how that can be statistically significant. What Isee myself and what other that I know see is a different story.I know without any shadow of a doubt that we've seen big improvements in the habitat in many areas over the past several years.I also feel that overall,the deer herd is getting healthier.The size and number of bucks showing up at taxidermists is unreal.There is less deer and it can be a tough pill to swallow at times but redcuing the herd was the right thing to do. |
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"What I see myself and what other that I know see is a different story.I know without any shadow of a doubt that we've seen big improvements in the habitat in many areas over the past several years."
And in many others it was fine from day one. Yet they were not spared the slaughter. "I also feel that overall,the deer herd is getting healthier." I do not. Nor is there any supportive data of that assessment. "The size and number of bucks showing up at taxidermists is unreal." No. Thats just if we believe your accounts of one or two taxidermists in your area. how do you put it??..... Not "statistically significant". On the other hand taxidermists around here that ive spoken with in last couple of years do not share your taxidermists results. Just the opposite in fact. Might have something to do with our modern day low herd size.. "There is less deer and it can be a tough pill to swallow at times but redcuing the herd was the right thing to do. " But not nearly in the amount in which it has been done.....by any stretch of the imagination unless you have an unhealthy facination with excessive amounts of trillium hobblebush and other econut worthless desirables. |
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"What I see myself and what other that I know see is a different story.I know without any shadow of a doubt that we've seen big improvements in the habitat in many areas over the past several years."
And in many others it was fine from day one. Yet they were not spared the slaughter. "I also feel that overall,the deer herd is getting healthier." I do not. Nor is there any supportive data of that assessment. "The size and number of bucks showing up at taxidermists is unreal." No. Thats just if we believe your accounts of one or two taxidermists in your area. how do you put it??..... Not "statistifcally significant". On the other hand taxidermists around here that ive spoken with in last couple of years do not share your taxidermists results. Just the opposite in fact. Might have something to do with our modern day low herd size.. "There is less deer and it can be a tough pill to swallow at times but redcuing the herd was the right thing to do. " But not nearly in the amount in which it has been done.....by any stretch of the imagination unless you have an unhealthy facination with excessive amounts of trillium hobblebush and other econut worthless desirables instead of reasonable deer numbers. To each his own i guess, but the huge majority of hunters in our state do not agree with your values.. |
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I've got a little bit of inside persepctive on this guy because he's local and because Iwas employed byhim for a while quite a long time ago. I also know from folks that I'd call very reliable of some of his antics while serving in the capacity of deputy. Whatever his policy on deer, he's a Barney Fife while on duty as a deputy and as a businessman, I'd rate him somehwere between fair and poor.
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