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purchase a second buck tag if available?


The catch is that you would have to purchase it before the season and the cost would be 100 dollars.

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This should be interesting..........

Pesonally, if it was the law, I'd do it in a heartbeat. I think it could cost us some young, but legal, bucks though and would have to think long an hard about whether it would be in our best interests to support such a thing.

JMHO

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Just like the extra turkey tag. It is driven by greed. If you want to sell tags then sell the tags,forget the limitations.:eek:

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Would archers be able to harvest two buck before rifle season?

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I would be 100% dead set against it!!! But there is zero chance of being able to harvest 2 bucks in PA. in the future. (atleast the next 15-20 years anyway) Pike

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you know what, I would not do it. I like the idea of one buck and the excitement it brings on whether to pull the trigger (gun,Ml or XBOW now[:@]) on this one or wait for a bigger buck. It is good!
If i could pull the trigger on 2 I don;t know if my exciitment level would be as high knowing if i kill a so-so legal buck early on, I have a chance at another big or so-so one later. Plus it will definitely dent a herd. No leave it alone, and yes I could buy the extra tag, that does not enter my equation.

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Sometimes you feel like a nut...Sometimes you don't! A second tag? Another $100 dollars? I'm not that nuts for either.[/align]

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Nope i wouldnt like it.
Too expensive
Alot of extra buck killed
It would kill the excitement for me anyway.

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For me it would be throwing $100 bucks away. I only hunt the 3.5 and older deeranymore. Its hard enough to get one mature buck to make a mistake and find himself in your crosshairs in one season, two would be highly unlikely.

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Personally I can't get enough of hunting. So if it was legal I would probably buy the second buck tag. However, this could never work in PA IMO, too many hunters. So I voted yes.

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I would not buy the extra tag. I'm a meat hunter and primarily take does. But I do see a lot of bucks and my party usually takes a few every season. So I have to ask a question, J Pike, why do you think it's impossible to harvest two bucks here in PA?

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Why is it necessary to shoot a second buck? Why can't you be satisfied with one?

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Because the PGC. and the majority of PA. hunters would never go for it.
The reason the PGC. implemented AR. was so a smaller % of of buck population got harvested every year. If hunters in PA. were able to harvest a 2nd buck our antlered harvest #'s would sky rocket for a couple years then take sharp nose dive. Pike

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I am for one deer per person Period. one buck or one doe. And I would pay 100.00 for that one deer. But I dont hunt pa anymore and probably never will again. Just a waste of time sitting behind a tree for 3 months and seeing next to nothing. When I did see deer ,I felt so sorry looking at the tiny herd I leave them walk.But that doesnt work either cause the next guy who seen them shot them all.Then I goto west virginia and see 70.And shoot one and I am happy

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Not in the current circumstances. If the herd was larger and oportunities greater, it is possible. DE had been operating this way for years, but there are stipulations on the second tag. A trophy tag that must have minmum 15" spread and atleast 7 points, I believe. A hundred dollars is a little steep. DE is cheaperI believe atleast for residents. In a larger herd, a few extra bucks is o.k. Speaking of the state in general terms, I'd have to say it's a bad idea right now. However I do believe we should raise the price of doe tags to near a hundred dollars......[:'(]

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If it's a trophy tag that has to be checked I can see that to a point. To say that you think the doe tags should be increased that is just insane. Perhaps raising the price on bonus tags but not the first doe tag. Pa is one of the few that really don't rape NR hunters as hard as other states. I mean like your only paying 500% more in fees as opposed to 1 or 2000% more. If it is such an issue then the general hunting license should come with a doe tag that earns a buck when filled and checked.

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All of this is moot because a second buck tag is simply not a possibility in PA for the foreseeable future. Support for it would be very sparse from all fronts. JMHO

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No way. [:'(] The herd is already WAAAAAY over-exploited.

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As a non resident i would definately pay for the 2nd buck tag,,,and as a responsible hunter i would make the decision on whether i used it or not when the time arrives and what the circumstances are in my area and how i felt that day,,

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Its something I dont think pgc would ever be stupid enough to implement...Of course that MAY be giving too much credit these days?

A responsible management agency would see our buck numbers and quality are already a joke and wouldnt look to significantlyreduce both.

They also would see that we have 900,000 plus hunters who only harvest 109-125k bucks, and wouldnt want to make even fewer of them successful by allowing some to take 2.

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Not a snowballs chance in he!! would I give the PGC another $100. In fact, they won't be getting another penny from me anytime soon. I have it to good in NY and Ohio to waste any of my money on the PGC. They can rot for all I care.

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My original thought was
25,000 tags, 4 points or better on one side, sell before the season,(not during)

=

2.5 mil more revenue to improve our hunting in some way shape or form

How many out of the 25,000 could possibly be killed? 15,000 tops? I doubt even that.

Serious hunters, the ones that are driving the sport through the retail revenue could have the chance to spend more time/money here at home
rather than heading to NY/OH/WVA




Hell, make it 200 bucks for all I care, I'd be first in line. I agree it can't and never could be something that could just be sold to an unlimited number of people, but I think it would be a win win for PA.

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Ben,that is a noble idea to give hunters of this state more opportunities,"but." You stated that you would pay $200 for another buck tag and with this opportunity,it may keep more hunters from going out of state and spend the money in Pa. IMO, the serious hunter of this state is going to target a bigger more mature buck for his harvest.If successful, I would think they would spend the $200 to hunt(say Ohio) for their second deer and have a greater chance of bagging another mature buck. Just my opinion![/align]

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Ben / Pa:
Im guessing that you also endorse a liscense increase?,,,I too would gladly pay more to hunt in Pa as a non res. If someone from the PGC would just come out and say that, look,"we have squandered ,,mismanaged,,misappropriated funds for an undetermined amount of years due to misinformation and it's going to take some serious funding to get our people up to date on what game management is all about and how to conduct game management properly",,,then id be willing to bet that within 5 years most resident hunters would be willing to pay a few bucks more for their liscense,,,without a shipload of complaints. I really feel that the hatred Pa hunters and the PGC has for one another over this deer issue will more than hamper any kind of accomplishments madein the near future.

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"Im guessing that you also endorse a liscense increase?,,,I too would gladly pay more to hunt in Pa as a non res. If someone from the PGC would just come out and say that, look,"we have squandered ,,mismanaged,,misappropriated funds for an undetermined amount of years due to misinformation and it's going to take some serious funding to get our people up to date on what game management is all about and how to conduct game management properly",,"

Heck Rem, some good points but Id be happy even if they didnt "own up" to it, just make the necessary changes quietly and pretend its what they wanted all along... If they dont want to admit to having been complete asses for the last several years, so be it....JUST FIX IT! (LOL)

"then id be willing to bet that within 5 years most resident hunters would be willing to pay a few bucks more for their liscense,,,without a shipload of complaints. I really feel that the hatred Pa hunters and the PGC has for one another over this deer issue will more than hamper any kind of accomplishments made in the near future."

You said a mouthful there. I agree completely. Only problem is the crook commission is now gonna get off scott free with a 100% biased audit and they wont have to make concession #1 to appease the hunters. In fact it will 100% enable them to go the other direction even more with more money, and no chance of being stopped, since they will just laugh and point to the crooked audit and that will be that. Legislators should have presented curative legislation to fix what ails the crook commission long ago, and now we are gonna pay for it because they didnt. The econuts are in control, and hunting will be headed the rest of the way down the toilet very shortly.

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BOO HOO! the audit's biased!!!LMFAOROTF!!!


Fess up, you're bawling about bias beforethe audit evenstarts, let alonecomes out, because you know you're jumping up and down on thin ice and the auditmight not agree with your unfounded hissyfits. All is not as good as it should be but if we were to listen to the likes of you, all that will be left in the state are salamanders and wood rats. Your rants are so silly and extreme that you shoot your own cause right in the foot every time you scream into your keyboard.

Why not wait till it's been done before you yap? Could it be that you simply are now enjoying your daily cryfest more than you used to like playingmini deer pinball on the Monday after turkey day? Sure seems like it!

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"BOO HOO! the audit's biased!!! LMFAOROTF!!!
"

Ahh. THe loud mouth irate defender of all that is pgc is himself oncemore. Welcome back.
;)

"Fess up, you're bawling about bias before the audit even starts, let alone comes out, because you know you're jumping up and down on thin ice and the audit might not agree with your unfounded hissy fits. '

There is no way that its gonna agree with anything I or the hunters of Pa believe. With an unbiased audit, i believe the odds would be high of responsible changes/suggestions. With this audit the odds are slim to none and slim done left town! LMAO!.... Its a biased audit period. The company doing it has VERY strong pgc ties. A commissioner has worked for them for christ sake, So has Shissler the econut who was on the deer team, as well as pgc having them do projects in the past. Hardly unbiased. Those are some of my reasons, Yet with all your voiced concern as to all my "whining" 'and "hissy fits", I think you neglected to mention why you think it wont be. Once again, attack the poster, yet add no substance to support your own position.:D;)

"Why not wait till it's been done before you yap? Could it be that you simply are now enjoying your daily cryfest more than you used to like playing mini deer pinball on the Monday after turkey day? Sure seems like it! "

Id rather play mini pinball on the monday after turkey day. I dont rifle hunt, and my tag is just about always filled by then. However I dont know who you have me confused with, as I post very little during hunting seasons that I participate in.


I havent posted here much at all lately in case you havent noticed. Then again there is quite a bit that gets by you.

And since you like to yell and cry (with the text) maybe this you'll understand:

THE DEER PROGRAM WAS DRAWN UP BY THE ECOFRUITCAKES, ITS BEING HELD TO BY THE FRUITCAKES, AND THOSE SAME FRUITCAKES NOW HAVE A HIGHLY BIASED SHAM AUDIT TO SUPPORT THEIR CLAIMS.

Now I think it would be foolish of me to simply blindly support an audit that is clearly biased. Why say I support an audit, then, when the obvious end result comes about...I should complain then?? So you can then say I just didnt like the result??? When anyone but a blind fool knows what is coming because of the clear potential for being highly biased NOW... I see no reason to wait. Only thing that should "wait" is the audit. Until someone unbiased can do it, or not do it at all.

" All is not as good as it should be but if we were to listen to the likes of you, all that will be left in the state are salamanders and wood rats. "

You clearly have my position confused with the ridiculous audubon derived pgc deer management plan that you strongly and blindly support, as very low deer densities and extreme biodiversity is most certainly their goals, and since you support it, by default, yours as well..

My views are FAAAR from extreme. I support ar, SOME of the hr, but not the extremes we are experiencing. Those views are about as "middle of the road" as it gets. Same cant be said of the agency you blindly support.

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Thanks for the highjack fellas. Audit thread is elsewhere. [:@];)[8D]

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Im not gonna apologize for mentioning the audit on a couple of posts. Especially when these "deer" issues are all entertwined. Not as if you were talkiing about gobbler hunting.

However your request to keep more to the topic of very narrow scope was duly noted, and will be taken into consideration.;)

Btw, sticking to the topic and all.... On this poll, your proposal isnt fairing so well with 80% against. I am surprised it isnt even higher.:(

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You're absolutely right Ben. The audit thread is elsewhere. I apologize for answeringCorny's crap here.For my part of it, I'll not comment on the audit here again.

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There is also talk of "license fee increase" here as well, yet you didnt whine about that, so you, bearded fool, can once again kizz my arse!;)

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If we are playing that way, then no, you kiss mine.

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LOL prepare to be inundated with bold type rants and tantrums. No one dares disagree with the Cornboy!

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"If we are playing that way, then no, you kiss mine"

If youd pull your head out of your rectum and look at the post, you'd see that reply wasnt to YOU whiney. But I guess that means we have 2 "bearded fools" by the name of "BTBOWHUNTER"? Maybe you are another of his poll skewing "camp aliases"?



"LOL prepare to be inundated with bold type rants and tantrums. No one dares disagree with the Cornboy! "

WAAAAA!!!

Only for you btb. Little gentle Ben barely rates a reply and size "1" text. LOL. You've earned your 7 by being the #1 most decietful biggest liar on this board and contributor of nothing but insults and nonsense. So don't bawl like a 5 yr old girl when you get the same personal crap in return.:D;)

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NO!!


Hatchet Jack

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Wow, 29 to 6. LMAO!:D

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That's all I wanted, honest opinions......thanks to all who voted.;)