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"If you want to pull your hair out compare the regeneration results for each WMU with the PS deer densities in the 2005 AWR and see if it makes any sense."

Pgc needs hung by their nads. That is ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous. This needs brought to the legislators attention in detail before they ever DREAM of giving pgc a fee increase. Its clear the intent is to hose us. PERIOD.

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Now that is a classic example of double talk. They said the same thing at least twice in that sentence just to confuse the issue and make it difficult to understand. They did the same thing with breeding rates by adding the coefficient of variability which few hunters understand. They have been constantly changing how they report things in the AWR in order to make any reasonable comparisons. That is why they won't provide either OWDD or PS deer densities.

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YEs bb, they think the "dumb hunters" wouldnt notice such things. LIke how they gave us a still "fair" rating although they hosed us by dropping us by 15% in 2A and is well down into the "poor range".

Wouldve been much more noticable had they simply lowered us and given us the rating of poor! Now they can do it more gradual. They dumped us into a lower ranking percentage, yet didnt label us with that Poor tag yet. NExt year, they can point back and saying we declined but were still "fair" we are already below fair in numerical rating...What happens next year if they can manufacture a simple 1 or 2 percent decline and we are further yet below.

And one year ago, we were in absolutely in NO DANGER of having a poor habitat rating. It was fair, and well up into the fair rating percentagewise, closer to "good" on the scale than "poor". They changed the system and this is rediculous. Among the best habitat in the state and thats a fact. Even by pgc's screwed ranking we were 8th last year, and the percentage waseven on an increasing trend!!! Untilthis year? SIXTEENTH in the state from 8th and going to what basically amounts to poor?! Despite having so many fewer deer and the fact the effects of 69+ dpsm didnt give us a poor rating ever! AND NOW???? The habitat didnt degrade at all in that time, and likely improved if anything, yet implementing some rediculous change designed to screw us instantly made slaughtering even more deer in 2A a very likely possibility.


Even though we have our lowest herd size here in a long time, what are the odds of a responsible allocation lowering when our rating is now basically graded poor?

Pgc can go straight to hell as far as Im concerned.

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Here is another example of the PGCs incompetence. They base the doe tag allocations in the change in DD from one year to the next.

But they admit that they don't know if their estimate is correct until they get the harvest dat from the year when the antlerless tags were issued. After claiming the herd in 2g increased by 40% from 2006 to 2007, but after 2007 they revised it to a 6% increase, but they didn't reduce the allocation in 2008.

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oh my pgc is out to get you all of us oh my ah thats horriable i now get it that corn and bb my eyes have been opened

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You arent looking at this from a hunter perspective and you arent gonna lie and tell me otherwise if you dont want to see what is there. When the hunting is at its worst and all indications according to pgcs newest scam pulling is that its going to get even worse hunters might want to take notice. The fact you dont speaks volumes. [:'(]

BTW, it doesnt matter if your eyes are opened or closed if your head is planted up your backside.;)

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who says hunting is at its worst maybe you old corny and your wifey ,BB

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Its at its worst and getting worse. Even if you didnt think it was at its "worst" it IS nondebatably getting worse as the herd is reduced further for no reason. Pull your head out and get a breathe of fresh air sick homo.

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Well I finally have to disagree with Cornelius. Deer hunting was at it's worst around 1910 when they had to stock deer in order to establish the herd.
but according to the harvest stats buck hunting is the worst it has been since 1979 when we harvested around 117K buck compared to 122K in 2008.

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first off you must have a love for the homo and beard thing maybe you are the ill one
next i think hunting is good atleast in pa dont get much time to go elsewhere

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first off you must have a love for the homo and beard thing maybe you are the ill one
next i think hunting is good atleast in pa dont get much time to go elsewhere

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LMAO!! I feel bad aboutbeing wrong for once. Till now I didnt know what it would be like, and I must say I dont like it! LOL Wow, that sucks!how can the pgc support boobs stand it day after day after day? [:'(]

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"first off you must have a love for the homo and beard thing maybe you are the ill one
next i think hunting is good atleast in pa dont get much time to go elsewhere"

No excuses. You broughtit up. Youclearly have the interest. You're the lover of men.;)

The plan is screwing over ALOT of hunters in this state and according to the new annual report its gonna get worse in many areas, not better. If that doesnt effect you because ofwhere you hunt, congrats,Im happy for you, but if that is the case, you have no business telling others what to think when it most certainly DOES effect the huge majority of this states hunters.

Also, I have hunted several states, and Pa is near the very bottom of that list.

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no corny look back you brought up the homo thing HOMO
Just because you suck and cant find deer doesnt mean you are the majority so you cornholer have as much business as me to voice ypur opioion LIAR maybe i should put it in bold type like you holer

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1 you are a liar, you brought it up you little lying homo weasel: "maybe you old corny and your wifey ,BB "

2. I was a better hunter when I was 15 than you can ever hope to be in your life. I find deer. I kill deer. I see that as no reason to take extreme downgrades to our deer herd quality and quantity and its all ok just because I can still fill a tag?.Thats a thought process of a man with his head uphis colon!DUH![:'(]

And just for you... Your a LIAR (theres your text, you asked for it, you got it, happy now?)in every single thing youve said in your last several posts. Keep it up. You are liable to break a few of your comrads records! lmao.

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if you didnt have your head up yours you would have seen the comma , inbetween wifey and bb you must have a guilty concious

you dont know me sport how do you know you were a better hunter just for corne Liar shame on you

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You're a sniveling little weasel liar. Ive proven it. Find a way to live with it.

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you have proven you are the weasel liar trying to like bb twisting

LIAR LIAR

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I showed you the quote. I proved who the liar was.

Funny to blame me for "twisting" when you just flat out lied.

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That guy was a DWCO down there in Greene Co.

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who was a dwco in greene co



Corny you only proved you are a corndog

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Congrats Bowtruck, when Bluebird calls you a liar, it means you've gotten him with the facts or exposed his lie.


Congrats again Bowtruck. When you get the best of Corny he starts screaming stuff like LMAO, liar, habitat *****,homo, etc. I've notice too that he frequently likes to use gay references along with the beard stuff.

Greene county is pretty remote. Maybe he had a "deliverance" experience with one of his bearded gay cousins. After all, he does SQUEAL quite readily doesnt he?

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How would you know? You've never seen me bested.

There you go with the homo stuff. Perhaps you and truck should get a room.

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He certainly does btb ol corny like bb seem to do a diappearing act when they get proven a liar to
i have noticed

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Wrong again sport. No one has proved that i lied about anything. I have made a few mistakes just like everyone else ,but I have not lied like RSB and BTB.

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i believe you bb you always tell the truth just as it is:eek:yeah right :eek:

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Says honest abe! LMAO!

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Just take look at what is being written, we are hunters some better than others, some of us spend more time at it than others. But this bickering is a joke, lier , no your a lier, get over it and lets get back to deer hunting.

We all live and hunt different areas, and we all want the same, great deer hunting. Then why do we have such different ideas on how to get there.

If any of you think standing and yelling improves your argument believe me you are wrong.

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I agree completely Jim. Fact is, some make it absolutely impossible to discuss any issues of concern. Ive heard one in particular make excuses for constant personal attacks because of people "high jacking" threads... Well I see that same person call names and start fights on every single thread, even though they are 100% on topic. Im sorry but people like that are NOT gonna dictate what we do or dont talk about. IF they dont like it, they can go post in other threads on this site....There are plenty of them. Everyone would be the better for it. Id much rather listen to and debate the issue which is the topic of this thread than have 15 pages of this nonsense. Odds arent good.

But if they choose to throw barbs, I dont expect to sit back and take it either. But I do agree it would be much better to be able to have reasonable conversation.

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My grand father alway said "That there is no point in being stupid if you didn't show it once in a while" but come on this forum has the makings ofan all star team.

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Just remember we have a few here that are consistently lying about what others post. That makes a fair and honest discussion almost impossible.

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Well I can agree with that. And now that we have that out of the way, id be interest in hearing some opinions on this topic.

I notice rsb has been logged in awhile and browsing these thread, and know he's itching to comment... Cant wait to see how he plans on defending these newest moves by pgc.

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Lets just see how long we can go while discussing what needs done in this state with out using the word lying.:eek:

Wake up would you, we're all in the same boat.[:-]

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With you included in that boat. [:-] And not just talking the word "lying". If people choose to intentionally lie and insult and do other things worse than telling someone they are a liar when they lie, then its all bets off.

And as I said, I doubt it can be done, but if it isnt, it wont be me initiating it. Thats all i can say on the matter.

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Find a post where Iaccused any one of lying.


Where I wasn't telling the truth.

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Sorry, you mustve read and replied to my post very quickly before i edited.

Im talking about all the nonsense. And Im not pointing the finger at you, just comment on your "all in the same boat" comment which due to typos, I mightve misread?

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Your right I have been logged in, but I was also logged into two other sites at the same time. So though I am logged in I am frequently really somewhere else.

I also refuse to get involved in these back and forth insults that get going here. When it reaches the point of where nothing is being posted but insults I simply go somewhere else and come later to see if it changed or not.

As for comments on the Annual Report yes I do have some. But, it is getting late and I am going to bed. You aren’t going to like what I have to say about it anyway, you know. Besides I have an important court case tomorrow and what to have my thoughts focused on that without being tired from staying up late tonight.

I will post my thoughts on what I believe the report is showing, for your area and a few others, tomorrow night provided I get time and the topic is civil enough to even bother with.

We could all learn things from one another and improve the future for both wildlife and hunters, if people could come here and stay civil. If not then little will be gained for the future of hunting and the anti-hunters will just continue to advance their case against hunters and hunting. Questions are ok and even some hard disagreements don’t hurt when respectfully debated. But, every time hunters attack professional wildlife management, or each other, the future of hunting gets a little closer to the end of it existence and I simply don’t care to be a part of that demise.

Good night.

R.S. Bodenhorn

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Im gonna tell you up front as if you didnt know "professional wildlife management" in this state is not looked upon highly by myself currently and even less so now, and I feel just about anything thrown their way right now is more than justified by all evidence Ive seen. I dont know why you feel you must take that personally though. An attack, and in my opinion well deserved, on the current managementis not an attack on you personally. As for the other things you mention, the bickering etc, I can agree with that.

One thing though, i havent stated much problem with "what the report is showing" I believe I understand much of what it shows, although with my first post that was not the case as I scanned the report quickly, then later went back and read thoroughly. My problem is with what pgc has done with the regeneration study. It is clear that these new guidelines of habitat health has thrown our ranking from respectable to "poor". Without added degradation due to deer or anything else, but with a simple change of policy. This is HORRIBLE for the wmu and others in the same boat because of this change imho, and doesnt bode well for other wmusin the future. Pgc could "up the ante" as often as they like anywhere they like for no good reason, and thats just unacceptable.

Im fairly certain Im not gonna agree with your input, but as long as both of our facts stay facts and our opinions stay opinions, It might be overly optimistic, but I dont see any reason why some of us cannot have a reasonable exchange on the subject.

Good luck in court. If its a poaching case I hope you bust their arse! LOL.

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Bowtruck, After three pages of your idiotic rantings I have to say, ....all of this coming from a guy who own 1080 acres and couldn't kill a big buck before AR...and now thinks using a crossbow will compensate for his own shortcomings. You are pathetic. You are literally unaffected by the deer program. What insight could you possibly share with the rest of us? Any complaints youcould possiblyhave should be directed onlyto the man in the mirror. In other words, buzz off. And before you come back, you should take some lessons in grammar and spelling.

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That is what you posted in a previous discussion regarding the 5% decrease in statewide breeding rates. If other northern tier counties would have had a increase anywhere close to 13 % statewide breeding rates would have increased significantly rather than decreasing. So the question then is how reliable is the 13% increase and why didn't other WMUs experience similar increases.

It certainly would be nice to have more civil discussions and we might learn more from each other, but we aren't going to learn anything if the information provided isn't true or accurate. And, blaming the poor habitat for the recent decrease in the herd in 2G is neither true nor accurate, especially if the increase in breeding rates is true and accurate. Breeding rates of 98% are the sign of a very healtht habitat.