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RE: Interesting article on Pa Deer Audit
ORIGINAL: R.S.B. ORIGINAL: blkpowder This is what I found, www.rand.org/pubs/authors/e/eveland_john_d.html I found that too and is what I was previously referring to concerning the Rand reports. But, I still don’t see any bio on this John Eveland and little in the Rand reports that would lead me to believe they have the qualifications to do the kind of audit that would include deer management. Perhaps they could but looking through their listing of topics I don’t see anything even remotely similar in their past reports. R.S. Bodenhorn That Street refers to him as the "bear man" and credits him with the current bear plan in PA is suspect at best for two reasons. First, it is indeed very curioous that no one seems to knowanything of him and most of us are long enough in the tooth to remember the bear program before Alt andshould havehave at least heard the name. RSB, unless I'm wrong, you've been around somewhere close to as long as Alt was havent you? Being an employee, I would think you'd at least know of someone as qualified as Street claims him to be. Reason two goes to Streets credibility and his obvious published agenda. He has demonstrated his agenda time and again and his bias is unquestionable.He absolutelyhas reason to want the current deer plan to come out looking badbecause he has already drawn his conclusions and made them very public. |
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 John Eveland is both a photographer and ecologist, and as such has blended a profession of art and science. He is an author and popular lecturer, and has been the focus of several major film and television programs and newspaper magazine-section documentaries, including a PBS television documentary on his life as a scientist, artist, and visionary.As a Scientist John is a multi disciplined scientist educated in the biological and earth sciences, and is versed in the areas of fossil and alternative fuels, energy development, physics, air and space science, and anthropology and paleontology. He has served on the faculty of Penn State University and as a senior scientist and manager with Westinghouse Electric Corporation before developing his own research, education, and art companies. As a biologist at Penn State, John conducted the first statewide scientific bear research program ever to be conducted in Pennsylvania. He wrote the state’s first bear management plan, which still remains in effect. The plan included: (1) the closing of the state wide bear hunting season in the early 1970's; (2) permanently reducing the length of the bear hunting season from 1 week to 1 - 3 days only; (3) maintaining the hunting season in the beginning of the week of Thanksgiving; (4) requiring the issuance of permits to bear hunters (5) creating statewide bear management zones; (6) developing aging techniques for bears, including the laboratory method for annular-sectioning of teeth and the extraction of premolar teeth for this purpose; (7) creating a system of statewide bear season check stations. As a result, the state’s bear population has grown from less than 2,000 bears in the 1970's to a current high of over 11,000. Today Pennsylvania prides itself in having one of the nation's most flourishing black bear populations as a result of John's research and management plan, which was fully in place and in operation when John left the bear project to conduct the state's first research on Pennsylvania's elk herd. Therefore In addition, he conducted the first scientific investigations of Pennsylvania’s elk herd, discovering the nationally-significant brainworm disease relationship in the herd, and writing the state’s first elk management plan -- seeing the herd increase from a low of only 35 elk to a current high of over 600. Recently John designed a 600 square mile four-county Eastern Elk Heritage Park in the north central Pennsylvania area that is occupied by the herd. The Park will feature a 600 acre visitor center including exhibits, gift shop, and cafeteria, education and science institute for wildlife research and for environmental education of families and school children; lodge, cabins, and campground facilities; elk recovery compound; elk driving tours and hiking trails and vistas for observing elk throughout the four-county area. (For more information visit the Terra Cor Connection link). At Westinghouse, John conducted and directed scientific research on ecology, environmental systems, and energy development throughout North America -- from the northern hardwood forests and rocky coasts of New England to the pine forests of the Carolinas and Louisiana; and from southwest deserts and Rocky Mountains to the boreal forests of Canada and Alaska. John headed the environmental studies on some of America’s largest energy development projects such as fossil fuel, nuclear, geothermal, and solar power generating stations; coal and uranium mines; energy transport systems; and the long-term impacts (biological, air, water, and soil) of fossil fuel emissions. He is a specialist on endangered species and critical habitats throughout North America. John has conducted studies on energy and the environment in 31 states and provinces, was asked to serve on the energy and environment council in Pennsylvania for a former state governor, and served on the state wildlife planning council. John is considered to be one of America's leading scientists regarding our natural environment, ecology, wildlife biology, and the relationships of energy and the environment. As an Artist John's photographs of American wildlife, wilderness, heritage, and the sea have been presented in over 500 exhibits and invitational showings throughout the country, and continue to be distributed worldwide for commercial and residential appreciation and artistic collection. He has been honored with over 40 regional and national awards for his depiction of wild America, and has been the feature of many newspaper and magazine articles, radio interviews and television specials. Although John is most widely acknowledged for his wildlife and wilderness work, his sensitivity for the American heritage and love of the sea are rapidly gaining him acclaim not only as an accomplished photographer, but as a fine artist. His work is currently presented in four collections: wildlife, wilderness, heritage, and the sea. Today, John’s photographs are displayed in thousands of homes, corporate and government offices, and institutions throughout North America, and are represented throughout the world in South America, Europe, Asia, and Australia. |
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http://www.pgc.state.pa.us/pgc/lib/pgc/blackbear/pdf/bear_plan_2006.pdf
This publication was put out by the PA Game Commission. If you use the search feature in Adobe Reader, you can find several places where Eveland was quoted. |
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Thanks Maverick 1
Where were you able to find this bio? Do you have a link? whoops! posted the above while you were posting the link:) |
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http://www.pgc.state.pa.us/pgc/lib/pgc/elk/pdf/elk_management_plan.pdf
Here is another PA Game Commission document making reference to Eveland |
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The guys resume is impressive but he is not exactly a practicing wildlife biologist.
Both documents Cite Eveland exactly6 times total, three times in each document and the latest thing they used from his work is 30 years old. Alt is referenced 191 times by comparison. OK now we know who he is or more accurately WAS. His newest workasreferenced by the commission is 30 years old and I could find nothing referencingany work with deer. One cant help but wonder why Street would cite a guy who's last referenced work in PA was relevant in the 70's as the "best" candidate to do the deer audit???? How current can this guy be? What are his current credentials? Streets opinions are most certainly stuck in the 70's.Could it be that thats why he is pushing Eveland? BTW, By the address and phone number, it seems this guy is practically my neighbor. His phone exchange is entirely contained within 3-10 miles of me. That may allow me to find out a bit more. BTW Maverick, Where, exactly did you find that Bio? Do you have a link? |
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OK Guys here it is!!!
He's a freakin photographer!!!  Here's his link! http://www.johnevelandphotography.com/ his photography looks very impressive andIt appears that he's a very versatile guy and has done work for the PGC but that was...... 30 YEARS AGO!!! I smelled a rat as soon as I saw that Street was the author of the article. Street wants to cut our bow season in half, He wants to spin deer management back in time by decadesas exposed by his writings. Now what he wants is to have a landscape and wildlife photographer audit our deer program!  Makes the rest of Streets allegations from the article seem pretty shaky as well IMHO. |
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As a biologist at Penn State, John conducted the first statewide scientific bear research program ever to be conducted in Pennsylvania. He wrote the state’s first bear management plan, which still remains in effect. The plan included: (1) the closing of the state wide bear hunting season in the early 1970's; (2) permanently reducing the length of the bear hunting season from 1 week to 1 - 3 days only; (3) maintaining the hunting season in the beginning of the week of Thanksgiving; (4) requiring the issuance of permits to bear hunters (5) creating statewide bear management zones; (6) developing aging techniques for bears, including the laboratory method for annular-sectioning of teeth and the extraction of premolar teeth for this purpose; (7) creating a system of statewide bear season check stations. As a result, the state’s bear population has grown from less than 2,000 bears in the 1970's to a current high of over 11,000. Today Pennsylvania prides itself in having one of the nation's most flourishing black bear populations as a result of John's research and management plan, which was fully in place and in operation when John left the bear project to conduct the state's first research on Pennsylvania's elk herd. |
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Nobody is tring to hide the fact that he is also a photographer. That doesn't diminish his credentials any. Really, you're attitude is pretty silly. Don't let what you wish to be true cloud your judgement. If this is all you have to discredit the guy, you are not doing very well.
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I noticed that neither of you acknowledged that the NEWEST reference to his work with wildlife biology is 30 years old.
Unless other evidence is produced to the contrary, this guy is a photographer. One with an impressive background no doubt. But based on what has been produced on this man, it's a highly dubious agenda thatrecommends a guy with 30 year old knowledge and experience who, by the way, very few seem to know of, as THE GO TO GUY for an audit of our deer program. Questionable at best. With Street as his promoter, the whole thing smells! Nobody is tring to hide the fact that he is also a photographer. That doesn't diminish his credentials any. Really, you're attitude is pretty silly. Don't let what you wish to be true cloud your judgement. If this is all you have to discredit the guy, you are not doing very well. |
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I can just imagine what the whole USP crowd would say if the PGC wanted the audit done by a photographer with a 30 yearout of dateecology background.
The cries of foul would be heard for hundreds of miles around. |
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Alt was appointed to manage the deer herd and he had absolutely no back ground in deer management. The clown didn't even recognize a browse line in the woods where he did his bear research. Maybe that makes him qualified to do the audit based on your warped criteria.
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ORIGINAL: BTBowhunter I can just imagine what the whole USP crowd would say if the PGC wanted the audit done by a photographer with a 30 yearout of dateecology background. The cries of foul would be heard for hundreds of miles around. |
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ORIGINAL: Maverick 1 ORIGINAL: BTBowhunter I can just imagine what the whole USP crowd would say if the PGC wanted the audit done by a photographer with a 30 yearout of dateecology background. The cries of foul would be heard for hundreds of miles around. |
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"That Street refers to him as the "bear man" and credits him with the current bear plan in PA is suspect at best for two reasons. "
Streetdidnt refer to him as "anything". Hesaid ALT referred to himas those things. I dont know if Eveland would be the man for the job or not. Even though ALT is doing other things out in California these days, even after his deer disaster, I wouldnt hesitate to see him in a bear management role. And in case you werent aware, Dr. Alt is ALSO a photographer these days! (LOL) http://www.garyaltconsulting.com/1762137.html WMI's ability to work this project objectively could VERY WELL be called into question as they have worked WITH PGC on not one, but TWO projects. The "pr" nonsense prior to the deer plan to sell it, and I beleive a pheasant restoration feasibilitystudy. Those things aside, one of the bigger problems that is being ignored spoken of by street is the Shaeffer/Audubon involvment, and deceit. Not good. wether you like eveland or not. |
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"Reason two goes to Streets credibility and his obvious published agenda. He has demonstrated his agenda time and again and his bias is unquestionable.He absolutelyhas reason to want the current deer plan to come out looking badbecause he has already drawn his conclusions and made them very public."
He has made many FACTUAL statements public from the best I can tell... And it doesnt matter WHAT his personal feelings on the issue are, the audubon involvement and the "dirty dealings" dont smell any better no matter how you look at it. Also, even if he had an "agenda" Id be very interested in hearingyou please explain why that is any different than what Audubon and Mr. Shaefferalong with zullinger and others have been attempting to do all along with the audit and all other "shows" they have put on throught the years so that the deer plan could "stay the course" unfettered? Yet for some obtuse reason, youseem to think THAT is ok? |
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In ricky-tick order, then, a request for proposal (containing the Levdansky/Schaefer language) was sent out and, according to a person who was following the process, at least two bids were received; one from the Wildlife Management Institute (who had already done a nifty little public relations campaign for the PGC back in 1999) and John Eveland (who really hadn’t done much except, on yea, conduct the research and prepare the management plan for the other two big game species in Pennsylvania). As you might imagine, the people who were aware of these proposals were dumbfounded when they read in the February 22, 2009, edition of the Pittsburgh Tribune Review that “the Legislative Budget and Finance Committee … could find no one - employed or retired – willing to undertake the study because the subject of deer management in Pennsylvania is seen across the country as being particularly vicious and caustic.” No one, that is, except the PGC’s old public relations buddies at the Wildlife Management Institute and -- perhaps the newspaper just forgot to mention -- John Eveland. Guess who got the contract? |
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ORIGINAL: bluebird2 Alt was appointed to manage the deer herd and he had absolutely no back ground in deer management. The clown didn't even recognize a browse line in the woods where he did his bear research. Maybe that makes him qualified to do the audit based on your warped criteria. BTB, Since it seems you live close to this Eveland fellow, I think we should appoint you as field reporter for Hunting.Net. Track the gent down and do an interview for us. I'd like to learn more about him and how he seems to have been an influential pioneer of wildlife mgt in PA, but his current photography career surely won't earn him many favors if he hasn't done anything but snap pictures of elk for the last 30 years. All in favor of an interview with Eveland, say Aye! |
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He he he. I believe you meant whenAlt stated THIS SS. I lmao when I heard it the first time and every time since. (LOL) From the audubon website:
"It just drove me to my knees,” he declares. “I couldn't believe it. I'm not talking about little pockets but thousands and thousands of square miles that have been devastated.” Pretty funny after a lifetime of working in those same forests to not only just have taken notice, but got DRIVEN TO HIS KNEES!!!! (LOL)(LOL):D Maybe he was "driven to his knees" by lugging around all that extra weight in that bullet proof vest? (LOL) |
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Or maybe he was on his knees to do the bidding of the Audubon and their ecowarrior friends! Hope those callouses went away before he put his trunks on on those sunny CA beaches!:D
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ORIGINAL: bluebird2 Alt was appointed to manage the deer herd and he had absolutely no back ground in deer management. The clown didn't even recognize a browse line in the woods where he did his bear research. Maybe that makes him qualified to do the audit based on your warped criteria. [ul][*] Ph.D. in Forest Resources Science, West Virginia University[/align][*] M.S. in Wildlife Management, Pennsylvania State University[/align][*] B.S. in Wildlife Science, Utah State University[/align][*] Associate in Wildlife Technology, DuBois Campus, Pennsylvania State University[/align][/ul] |
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ORIGINAL: WCO R.W.J ORIGINAL: bluebird2 Alt was appointed to manage the deer herd and he had absolutely no back ground in deer management. The clown didn't even recognize a browse line in the woods where he did his bear research. Maybe that makes him qualified to do the audit based on your warped criteria. [ul][*] Ph.D. in Forest Resources Science, West Virginia University [/align][*] M.S. in Wildlife Management, Pennsylvania State University [/align][*] B.S. in Wildlife Science, Utah State University [/align][*] Associate in Wildlife Technology, DuBois Campus, Pennsylvania State University [/align][/ul] |
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Seems his education would qualify him, |
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Calling Dr Gary Alt a "clown" kinda puts it all in perspective doesn't it.:eek: There's also Dr Kroll who [&:] tell us "doesn't understand his own research". [&:]bird also claims that Charlie Alsheimer mismanages his property. Of course, he's blasted Rosenberry too. No wonder the [&:]bird and his lemmings are willing to jump on streets bandwagon and put a wildlife photographer (who by all information available hasn't worked in wildlife management in PA for 30 years) to the fore front as the one to audit the deer program. Sounding more and more like desperation time for the naysayers isn't it? As for all the "suspect" closed door secret meetings, I have obtained a snapshot ofsome of those who attended the meetings where Streets suggestion was discussed.......         |
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Of course, he's blasted Rosenberry too. |
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ORIGINAL: bluebird2 Of course, he's blasted Rosenberry too. What is undisputable is that you have repeatedly dismissed many respected wildlife professionals and their work for one reason or another and have produced nothing in the way of evidence as to your qualifications to dispute the work of so many people who do this for a living. On the other hand, an opinionated, biased, fairly obscure columnist suggests a photographer as the man to do the deer audit and you climb on board that bandwagon immediately |
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ORIGINAL: BTBowhunter ORIGINAL: bluebird2 Of course, he's blasted Rosenberry too. What is undisputable is that you have repeatedly dismissed many respected wildlife professionals and their work for one reason or another and have produced nothing in the way of evidence as to your qualifications to dispute the work of so many people who do this for a living. On the other hand, an opinionated, biased, fairly obscure columnist suggests a photographer as the man to do the deer audit and you climb on board that bandwagon immediately
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The plain and simple facts is the you have repeatedly attempted to discredit his work. What is undisputable is that you have repeatedly dismissed many respected wildlife professionals and their work for one reason or another and have produced nothing in the way of evidence as to your qualifications to dispute the work of so many people who do this for a living. |
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ORIGINAL: blkpowder ORIGINAL: BTBowhunter ORIGINAL: bluebird2 Of course, he's blasted Rosenberry too. What is undisputable is that you have repeatedly dismissed many respected wildlife professionals and their work for one reason or another and have produced nothing in the way of evidence as to your qualifications to dispute the work of so many people who do this for a living. On the other hand, an opinionated, biased, fairly obscure columnist suggests a photographer as the man to do the deer audit and you climb on board that bandwagon immediately
blkpowder you are one funny guy! Now I gotta explain to the wife why I busted out laughing so loud that I startled her darn near outta her seat. |
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[/quote] LMFAO !!! blkpowder you are one funny guy! Now I gotta explain to the wife why I busted out laughing so loud that I startled her darn near outta her seat. [/quote] Tell your wife I sincerely apologize, for being half the reason she got startled.;)[/align] |
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You are both about as funny as a broken crutch in ward of amputees from Iraq. Any idiot that has to resort to those extremes to express their thoughts ,certainly doesn't have anything to say worth reading.
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The constant rehash of the same old same old is what's not worth reading.
Those of us who watch for and expose the daily distortions simply make it a little less monotonous with a little humor. Don't read em if you dont like em.  |
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The constant rehash of the same old same old is what's not worth reading. |
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ORIGINAL: bluebird2 You are both about as funny as a broken crutch in ward of amputees from Iraq. Any idiot that has to resort to those extremes to express their thoughts ,certainly doesn't have anything to say worth reading. |
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BB, you really do need to lighten up! Even people on this site that have taken your side have told you the same I'm sorry,but from reading your posts,you give the impression this is all your life is about? |
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ORIGINAL: bluebird2 BB, you really do need to lighten up! Even people on this site that have taken your side have told you the same I'm sorry,but from reading your posts,you give the impression this is all your life is about? |
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Sun flowers,dalihas, cosmos, marigolds, gladiolas plus all the standard garden vegetables including asparagus, strawberries , black and red raspberries , plus gourds and pumpkins.
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ORIGINAL: bluebird2 Sun flowers,dalihas, cosmos, marigolds, gladiolas plus all the standard garden vegetables including asparagus, strawberries , black and red raspberries , plus gourds and pumpkins. [/align] [/align] [/align] |
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No, I never heard of that, but I'm always interested in new and weird stuff.
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ORIGINAL: bluebird2 No, I never heard of that, but I'm always interested in new and weird stuff. |
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