Some Good news In PA
03-12-2009, 05:27 PM
#51
Typical Buck
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RE: Some Good news In PA
Maybe AJ52 will lock this thread up also, or maybe he likes these little games that have been going on for a long time, IMO the wrong people have been kicked off the site for over four years, you guys make me sick!!!!
03-12-2009, 05:41 PM
#52
Typical Buck
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RE: Some Good news In PA
Jim, blkpowder, Greg, bowtruckBTBhunter, you guy are the trolls, I can't believe you can do that and get away with it, and the other guy slips up one time he is banned, yep blame it all on bluebird!! You can't prove him wrong so you attack him!![:@]
8. Do not engage in "flame-wars" or excessive exchange of confrontational postings. Debate is important, but users should not try to "pick a fight" with one another.
8. Do not engage in "flame-wars" or excessive exchange of confrontational postings. Debate is important, but users should not try to "pick a fight" with one another.
03-12-2009, 05:45 PM
#53
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Some Good news In PA
IMHO Maverick was calling BWJ a troll since his post was in answer to my reply to BWJ. The only reason you guys post your insults and personal attacks is because you can't discuss deer management issues rationally and intelligently ,based on the facts.
03-12-2009, 05:51 PM
#54
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RE: Some Good news In PA
I agree Losthorn.Not another hunting site on the net that would allow the behaviour they constantly display. Constantly change sujects to "personal attack". Constant sexual references, name calling on every thread.... And I couldnt care less, but when OTHERS were banned for LESS, or selectively publicly made an example of,that sux.
03-12-2009, 06:04 PM
#55
Fork Horn
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RE: Some Good news In PA
ORIGINAL: bluebird2
IMHO Maverick was calling BWJ a troll since his post was in answer to my reply to BWJ. The only reason you guys post your insults and personal attacks is because you can't discuss deer management issues rationally and intelligently ,based on the facts.
IMHO Maverick was calling BWJ a troll since his post was in answer to my reply to BWJ. The only reason you guys post your insults and personal attacks is because you can't discuss deer management issues rationally and intelligently ,based on the facts.
03-12-2009, 06:35 PM
#57
Fork Horn
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RE: Some Good news In PA
ORIGINAL: muzzyman88
My family owns a large logging company here in central PA. I grew up around it and see or hear what impacts it has at the outcome. What we've seen over the last 30 years is that after an area is select cut, most of what shows up afterwards is maple. The problem with logging, as I see it, is that the demand for oak species far out weighs that of most others. Oak brings high dollar in the market and that is the targeted species generally. We remove most oak in a select cut and leave everything else. This everthing else usually is maple and pine species, which then in turn take over an area. Without oaks in an area, deer usually visit other areas where there are oaks to get to the acorns. The past season, some of my favorite, high producing stands had very little deer activity because of the lack of acorns on the ground (we got hit pretty hard with the gypsy moth).
Of course, logging does have a positive impact. The new browse that comes up a few years later is excellent food and cover.
My family owns a large logging company here in central PA. I grew up around it and see or hear what impacts it has at the outcome. What we've seen over the last 30 years is that after an area is select cut, most of what shows up afterwards is maple. The problem with logging, as I see it, is that the demand for oak species far out weighs that of most others. Oak brings high dollar in the market and that is the targeted species generally. We remove most oak in a select cut and leave everything else. This everthing else usually is maple and pine species, which then in turn take over an area. Without oaks in an area, deer usually visit other areas where there are oaks to get to the acorns. The past season, some of my favorite, high producing stands had very little deer activity because of the lack of acorns on the ground (we got hit pretty hard with the gypsy moth).
Of course, logging does have a positive impact. The new browse that comes up a few years later is excellent food and cover.
Basically, what you are saying is that because there is such a high demand on oak too many of them are taken from an area and not enough are left for seed. Is that correct? Wouldn't it also help if you were to take some of the pine and maple with the oak so that there would be less of them competing with the oaks that are left behind? Are the pines and maples left behind because there are no markets for them? If that is the case, why not just cut the pine and maples and leave them or use them firewood?
03-13-2009, 04:00 AM
#58
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Some Good news In PA
Are the pines and maples left behind because there are no markets for them? If that is the case, why not just cut the pine and maples and leave them or use them firewood?
03-13-2009, 05:27 AM
#59
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Some Good news In PA
Who got banned? Did I miss something?
Yes BB, the market on hemlock is really down in the last few years, because of the housing downturn.
Told you that before in regard to some discussion we had, can't remember exactly what.
Yes BB, the market on hemlock is really down in the last few years, because of the housing downturn.
Told you that before in regard to some discussion we had, can't remember exactly what.
03-13-2009, 06:47 AM
#60
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RE: Some Good news In PA
ORIGINAL: BTBowhunter
Doug, How many guys bother with the late archery season in TL?
Doug, How many guys bother with the late archery season in TL?