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ORIGINAL: sits in trees
"just my opinion", "my 2 cents", "IMO", "not trying to offend anyone", "not trying stir the pot here but" lets see did i cover all of them?
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ORIGINAL: BuckAlley

Sit in tree's. I don't agree with this concept at all. First you can get a new bowhunter into a bow package for under $300 now. ex. the PSE Nova. A crossbow package is significantly more $. Also I believe what your saying is a young adult can hunt easier with a crossbow becasue in concept it takes less practice to use? If so Ipersonally don't think teaching our children less practice with any weapon is better for them. Last of all I think its our own faults for not getting out kids out in the woods with us at younger ages. We let them sit in front of the tv playing video games instead.
I personally started both my boys on bows at the age of 3. Yes the age of 3. I bought each one of those toy plastic bows with suction cupped arrows. I let them go out back with me in the woods carrying them. I moved them up to a fred bear wheeled bow, then a Golden Eagle little brave bows. My kids know how to shoot instinctive. My oldest is now 17, and he has his own adult compound. My youngest turned 14 last year, and he uses a youth bow, but this season he too will be into a adult sized compound. Both my bows go with whenever they can, and love bowhunting as much as I do. They go inbetween school sports, and girls. So I say its up to us parents to get our kids interested in hunting at a young age.
I don't know what you have against archery hunters, but everything you write you seem to think crossbows are the answer to everything. If you're so willing to push for crossbows to get out into the archery woods, why don't you put that same effort into a bow?

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ORIGINAL: Bowtech 360

It took me like 45 mins with my bow before I was shooting a 3" group at 20 yards with my bow. If somebody is too lazy to learn to practice with a bow you expect them to go out and hunt?

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ORIGINAL: Bowtech 360

It took me like 45 mins with my bow before I was shooting a 3" group at 20 yards with my bow. If somebody is too lazy to learn to practice with a bow you expect them to go out and hunt?

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ORIGINAL: BuckAlley

I think the point on practicing is being missed here. Sit in tree's whole youth concept for the X-bow is becasue it takes less practice, and time to master it. As Bowtech 360 was making a point would anyone expect hunters to head to the field with a bow, and not practice? Of course not, nor would we any weapon.We all realize it takes longer to master a bow over a X-bow. For some its easier to master based on ones own skills, and type of bow.Regardless of how easy it is to master any weapon, the point is we all still need to take time to practice. We should all take the time, and to be responsible in that regards. But thats just one of the reasons why I'm not for the X-bow during archery season.Its that whole mindset being easier to shoot, its the same mind set many have in gun hunting. Sight it in the day before and call it good. That in my opinion is not what archerys about. Thats exactly the mindset I don't want in the archery woods. I'm not saying if the X-bow was ever legalized thats how all using it would be. But I fear it would be the norm. The last thingwe need as hunters is to give archery a bad name. We'veworked too hard to have what we do. I don't want to see it taintedby a weapon seen to take less time, and practice to shoot. Shoot the darn thing a couple times, yup its on, I'm good lets go shoot a deer, yee haa. Leave that mindset for the gun seasons!
So far as I'm concerned if a hunter doesn't have the time to practice with their weapons, they don't have time to hunt either. We owe the respect to every game animal we hunt to be totally proficent to the best of our abilities before we take to the field.

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ORIGINAL: BTBowhunter

Take a lesson from the PA situation guys. The crossbow is probably coming to your state too. Pennsylvania wasn't the first but was the HUGE domino to fall in this game.

As SS said, bowhunter edcouldgo a long wayto preventthe new blood from coming in as bad blood. Pa opponents to the crossbowobviously made a mistake with their all or nothing oppostion and missed the chance to fix the biggest potential that could come with crossbow invlusionissue with

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Sight it in the day before and call it good. That in my opinion is not what archerys about. Thats exactly the mindset I don't want in the archery woods.

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ORIGINAL: SteveBNy


From another website by permissiom of the poster.




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Is a crossbow a bow?

In the majority of the world the answer would be yes, they are *archery equipment.*

Only in the United States do you get some bowhunters and bowhunting organizations that don't think that. Of course they are "protecting their own".

THE NAA - the OLDEST archery organization have recognized crossbows for about 60 years. The International Bowhunters Organization has had a crossbow division for several years AND growing every year. THE NFAA now recognizes crossbows at its VEGAS championships. Atlantic City had crossbow divisions for years, that shoot was recently acquired by the NFAA, but its crossbow division is several decades old.

The Archery Trade Association and its predecessor, the Archery Manufacturers Organization recognizes crossbows as archery equipment.

So does most retail dealers- almost every shop that sells archery equipment and guns have crossbows in the archery department, not the firearm counter. Go into Bass Pro or Cabela’s or ****s and see where the crossbows are kept.

Every archery catalog I get from the retailers has crossbows in it. Bow and Arrow Magazine carries crossbow advertising.

According to the Internal Revenue Service, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service and all state wildlife agencies, crossbows are archery equipment:

- Crossbows and accessories that attach to crossbows as well as crossbow arrows are defined in the Internal Revenue Code that pertains to the archery excise tax.

- The US Fish & Wildlife Service receives the archery excise tax funds - of which about 10% are from crossbows - from the IRS and allocates those dollars to the state wildlife agencies through the Pittman Robertson program.

- State wildlife agencies receive archery excise tax dollars in amounts determined by a formula that includes the number of licensed hunters (including all those who hunt with crossbows) and the area of the state.

Regardless of what we think, the government treats crossbows like archery equipment.

Now with compound bows - The International Olympic Committee doesn't recognize compounds as archery equipment. The PAN AMERICAN games don't recognize compounds as archery equipment. Neither does some of those ultra elitist traditional heads up the butt groups.

Why have crossbows been welcomed at NAA sanctioned shoots many years longer then the compound bow?

Several European countries don’t recognize any archery gear for any hunting purpose. Thanks to bowhunters in England that complained that the crossbows were “inhumane” After a government study they ended up banning all archery hunting as “inhumane”.

I don't think we want to head down that path..

A crossbow propels an arrow from the fastly forward moving string powered by a set of bent limbs. The trajectory of the arrow is VERY similar to that of an arrow launched by a compound bow. On the end of that arrow is the same broadhead that is used by any other hunting archer. That arrow kills that deer from lung collapse and blood loss.

Sounds like archery to me.

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ORIGINAL: Cornelius08

Nor are these:


[align=center]THE MULLANEY REPORT [/align]Mr. Norb Mullaney, a professional engineer, is recognized as the leading authority on the physics of bows and endows. He states that "The hand held bow has one characteristic that distinguishes it from a crossbow or any type of firearm. The internal ballistics are a function of the shooter, his or her physical geometry and capabilities, shooting form, consistency and reaction to stress and trauma. In the crossbow and firearms, the internal ballistics are fixed. The action of the shooter in triggering a release of energy does nothing more than initiate a process that is consistent and repetitive. The hand held bow is different. Every action of the shooter contributes something either positive or negative to the interior ballistic process. As the interior ballistics vary, so do the exterior ballistics. Shooting the hand held bow and arrow is much more complicated than aiming a fixed system of ballistics and touching off the energy discharge. The total energy to draw, hold and release the bow must come directly and unassisted from the shooter's muscle power."
Copies of the Mullaney Report can be obtained from Mr. Mullaney, Engineer, Writer, 8425 North Greenvale Rd. Milwaukee W/ 53217"

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Yes it is. Unless Mr. Mullaney has multilpe personalities.

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ORIGINAL: Screamin Steel

No doubt the xbow legislation would be an easier pill to swallow if they had taken those steps to initiate a mandatory bowhunter ed course at the same time...FOR ALL BOWHUNTERS. If I'm not mistaken some states already require it, but adding another program for the PGC to run at this point would be a mistake. Considering maybe half or so of the bowhunters I know/ see spend what I would consider enough practice time preseason and during as well...I fear the worst with the crossbows. I wonder how many would attempt a neck or shoulder shot, bad angle, or some brush interference,forgetting that while it may handle like a gun, it is most assuredly not one. I hope to God they are going to prove me wrong.

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