Antler Restrictions (What they found in TX)
02-10-2009, 06:14 PM
#102
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RE: Antler Restrictions (What they found in TX)
ORIGINAL: bluebird2
I don't like math and I never was an accountant.
I don't like math and I never was an accountant.
02-11-2009, 02:51 AM
#103
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RE: Antler Restrictions (What they found in TX)
ORIGINAL: BTBowhunter
Actually, I believe that statement. It explains why you manage to draw the distorted conclusions you draw. It also explains why you can't understand when it's explained to you that you left out important parts of the equation or added in things that don't belong.
ORIGINAL: bluebird2
I don't like math and I never was an accountant.
I don't like math and I never was an accountant.
02-11-2009, 04:10 AM
#104
Typical Buck
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RE: Antler Restrictions (What they found in TX)
ORIGINAL: BTBowhunter
A fair portion of Westmoreland County is within the 2B WMU and crossbows have been legal to all for a while now.
Is that deer that big purely because of AR's? Probably not. Does that deer represent the norm? Of course not. Did we have deer that big before AR? Yes of course. But do some 1.5 fork horns have the potential to grow this big? You betcha!
Have you read the research that concludes the opposite?
[quote ]A close friend has been raising large, captive deer for years, and his largest bucks...who incidentally scored very close to that monster non typical, always sported exceptional antlers (110"+) as yearlings, and began demostrating their non typical characteristics by age 2.5.
That guy in the pic looks pretty young and healthy...let me guess, his shoulder bothers him? Not like it matters anyway, with the new regs.
Bucks like the one in the photo are rare freaks of nature even in the very best habitat in the country. Rest assured that AR's did not directly produce that deer.
Is that deer that big purely because of AR's? Probably not. Does that deer represent the norm? Of course not. Did we have deer that big before AR? Yes of course. But do some 1.5 fork horns have the potential to grow this big? You betcha!
In the face of alot of research that supports the prospect of AR's producing high grading effects, we may be closing the door to more top end specimens like him in the future.
[quote ]A close friend has been raising large, captive deer for years, and his largest bucks...who incidentally scored very close to that monster non typical, always sported exceptional antlers (110"+) as yearlings, and began demostrating their non typical characteristics by age 2.5.
If I'm in the area I would certainly check it out.
Pa will never be like Illinois, Minnesota, Wisconson or even Ohio. But we have improved the age structure and as a result, our average antler quality
But keep on praising our inferior AR system, even though there are so many better options out there that would increase age structure more effectively, and likely produce larger bucks within age classes.
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I would certainly like the PGC to atleast CONSIDER making a change similar to TX. Allow harvest of spikes, while incorporating a general spread restriction. Try it for about five years and then evaluate. i just feel that if you are trying to create ahigher quality herd, you have got to consider all options and be willing to try some other methods, esp when SOME research ahs proven point based systems to be less effective. PA chose the point based system due to it simplicity alone, despite the fact that other states that had tried them werer already abandoning the practice due to poor results. The TX system has a very easy to comprehend visual guide. Hunters in PA would catch on quickly.
02-11-2009, 05:15 AM
#105
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RE: Antler Restrictions (What they found in TX)
ORIGINAL: bluebird2
You haven't even come close. All you do is make false accusations and you never back them up with facts. If you want to impress everyone show us how the PGC determines the number of antlerless tags should be issued in 2F based on forest health and herd health. You can't do it because you don't understand how they allocate doe tags and for that matter neither does the PGC.
I have shown over and over your aversions to the truth.
Your 2G - 2 F B.S. becomes to bore to all but a simpleton.
In your first( statement- question,you ask me to explain what your Next (statement - question) says doesn't exists. Classic [&:]bird.
Maybe you care to explain to me the formula used to determine the amount of air moved buy volume when a falling rain drop strikes a object that is considered a solidat sea level.
02-11-2009, 06:56 AM
#106
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RE: Antler Restrictions (What they found in TX)
I know you are dealing with a dwindling mass of gray matter,but even you must come to the realization that Ridgway is not, ground zero, the center of the universe or even a point of interest to most.
Your 2G - 2 F B.S. becomes to bore to all but a simpleton.
Your 2G - 2 F B.S. becomes to bore to all but a simpleton.
The bottom line is neither you RSB, BTB or anyone else can explain how the PGC determines the number of antlerless tags based solely on herd and forest health.
02-11-2009, 07:03 AM
#107
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RE: Antler Restrictions (What they found in TX)
Maybe you care to explain to me the formula used to determine the amount of air moved buy volume when a falling rain drop strikes a object that is considered a solidat sea level.
02-11-2009, 07:25 AM
#108
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RE: Antler Restrictions (What they found in TX)
ORIGINAL: bluebird2
The bottom line is neither you RSB, BTB or anyone else can explain how the PGC determines the number of antlerless tags based solely on herd and forest health.
The bottom line is neither you RSB, BTB or anyone else can explain how the PGC determines the number of antlerless tags based solely on herd and forest health.
But if I could venture a guess I would say maybe its all a "sleight of hand".trick to fool that areas hunters. [8D]
02-11-2009, 07:41 AM
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RE: Antler Restrictions (What they found in TX)
ORIGINAL: bawanajim
I know you are dealing with a dwindling mass of gray matter,but even you must come to the realization thatRidgway is not, ground zero, the center of the universe or even a point of interest to most.
Your 2G - 2 F B.S. becomes to bore to all but a simpleton.
In your first( statement- question,you ask me to explain what your Next (statement - question) says doesn't exists. Classic [&:]bird.
Maybe you care to explain to me the formula used to determine the amount of air moved buy volume when a falling rain drop strikes a object that is considered a solidat sea level.
ORIGINAL: bluebird2
You haven't even come close. All you do is make false accusations and you never back them up with facts. If you want to impress everyone show us how the PGC determines the number of antlerless tags should be issued in 2F based on forest health and herd health. You can't do it because you don't understand how they allocate doe tags and for that matter neither does the PGC.
I have shown over and over your aversions to the truth.
Your 2G - 2 F B.S. becomes to bore to all but a simpleton.
In your first( statement- question,you ask me to explain what your Next (statement - question) says doesn't exists. Classic [&:]bird.
Maybe you care to explain to me the formula used to determine the amount of air moved buy volume when a falling rain drop strikes a object that is considered a solidat sea level.
And you may want to consider a remedial English course.
02-11-2009, 09:09 AM
#110
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RE: Antler Restrictions (What they found in TX)
I wasn't personally attacking the little [&:]bird I was board two death, no one nose the bear facts like a pare of little [&:]birds. We have road this horse bear back four sew long its getting hard to tow the line. Buy the time the whether changes this cite will bee too boring to reed.
I will try two do better next time, butt who nose.
I will try two do better next time, butt who nose.