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sproulman 02-05-2009 09:16 AM

REWARDS FOR DOE IN PA.
 
the PSU/PGC are putting tags in the ears of doe.

you will not be able to see tags too much but there is PRIZE for shooting a DOE.

YOU GET A 100 DOLLARS FOR A TAGGED DOE.

go get um boys, now its not MEAT ,its 100 dollars , yippe lets kill em all guys and gals.[:@]

DougE 02-05-2009 09:56 AM

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It's part of a doe mortality study.They do the same thing with gobblers.

bawanajim 02-05-2009 10:09 AM

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I really thought that the big yellow ribbons placed on the last years subjects in the doe mortality study made the conclusions biased.
I mean really who's going to shoot a doe with a big yellow ribbon around its neck?[:-]

mlo3135127 02-05-2009 10:42 AM

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If there was'nt areward, no one would turn in the tags. Maybe they should pay some of you guys to turn in your deer kill cards too.

livbucks 02-05-2009 11:24 AM

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People will be killing themselves to get to the roadkills before the next guy.

tky1187 02-05-2009 12:20 PM

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I like it. I get paid to have fun, what could be better?

DennyF 02-05-2009 12:23 PM

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It was explained during the BOC meeting, as part of the doe study. Radio collars and other "tags"sometimes get thrown away and are not reported. They cost far more than the $100 reward tags being put in some doe ears for possible later recovery by hunters.

As it related to previous studies, $100 is about the minimum required for the majority of hunters to bother reporting them for the purposes of the studies.

DougE 02-05-2009 01:07 PM

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What the heck,isn't the USP offering up a $10,000 reward for any mountain lions shot?

Cornelius08 02-05-2009 01:08 PM

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Thought it was hilarious that someone said pgc once recovered a piece of telemetry equipment that had been on a deer that someone harvested then attached the collar to a truck bumper where pgc apparently tracked it down. (LOL)

Just goes to show the great deal of repect hunters in our state have for the gameless commission.

bowtruck 02-05-2009 01:13 PM

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that would be funny unless it your truck i guess

bluebird2 02-05-2009 03:32 PM

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ORIGINAL: DougE

What the heck,isn't the USP offering up a $10,000 reward for any mountain lions shot?
You like to point to the 8% harvest rate in the study as an indication that hunters aren't harvesting enough deer to reduce the herd. However, the only reason they are offering a reward is so they get some data that comes closer to representing what is really happening.

Now here are the cold facts. From 2004 to 2007 the harvests in 4B reduced the PS DD from 23 DPSM to 18 DPSM and the herd in 2G dropped from 16 PS in 2004 to 10 PS DPSM in 2007. Therefore, the results form the doe survival study are highly flawed and the PGC is trying to correct that by offering a reward.

sproulman 02-05-2009 04:04 PM

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ORIGINAL: bluebird2


ORIGINAL: DougE

What the heck,isn't the USP offering up a $10,000 reward for any mountain lions shot?
You like to point to the 8% harvest rate in the study as an indication that hunters aren't harvesting enough deer to reduce the herd. However, the only reason they are offering a reward is so they get some data that comes closer to representing what is really happening.

Now here are the cold facts. From 2004 to 2007 the harvests in 4B reduced the PS DD from 23 DPSM to 18 DPSM and the herd in 2G dropped from 16 PS in 2004 to 10 PS DPSM in 2007. Therefore, the results form the doe survival study are highly flawed and the PGC is trying to correct that by offering a reward.
here is sprouls DPSM for 2009 in clinton county,4

bowtruck 02-05-2009 04:07 PM

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then my guess is sprouls area wont get to many rewards

BTBowhunter 02-05-2009 04:24 PM

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ORIGINAL: bluebird2


ORIGINAL: DougE

What the heck,isn't the USP offering up a $10,000 reward for any mountain lions shot?
You like to point to the 8% harvest rate in the study as an indication that hunters aren't harvesting enough deer to reduce the herd. However, the only reason they are offering a reward is so they get some data that comes closer to representing what is really happening.

Now here are the cold facts. From 2004 to 2007 the harvests in 4B reduced the PS DD from 23 DPSM to 18 DPSM and the herd in 2G dropped from 16 PS in 2004 to 10 PS DPSM in 2007. Therefore, the results form the doe survival study are highly flawed and the PGC is trying to correct that by offering a reward.
Just like Babblebird to find a way to criticize an attempt to produce more accurate results to a study.

sproulman 02-05-2009 04:33 PM

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ORIGINAL: bowtruck

then my guess is sprouls area wont get to many rewards


i think they may do study in same areas as before.

dont think for minute that localDCNR boys will not know where everyone of those doe are,they are making plans now for early in-line season to get that money.

bluebird2 02-05-2009 05:11 PM

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ORIGINAL: BTBowhunter


ORIGINAL: bluebird2


ORIGINAL: DougE

What the heck,isn't the USP offering up a $10,000 reward for any mountain lions shot?
You like to point to the 8% harvest rate in the study as an indication that hunters aren't harvesting enough deer to reduce the herd. However, the only reason they are offering a reward is so they get some data that comes closer to representing what is really happening.

Now here are the cold facts. From 2004 to 2007 the harvests in 4B reduced the PS DD from 23 DPSM to 18 DPSM and the herd in 2G dropped from 16 PS in 2004 to 10 PS DPSM in 2007. Therefore, the results form the doe survival study are highly flawed and the PGC is trying to correct that by offering a reward.
Just like Babblebird to find a way to criticize an attempt to produce more accurate results to a study.
Wrong again. I didn't criticize the attempt to produce more accurate results. I simply pointed out the reason why it was necessary to offer the rewards and how wrong DougE and RSB were when they used the study to show claim the harvests weren't reducing the herd

DennyF 02-05-2009 05:34 PM

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Mostly "just goes to show" the kind of things you think are funny,may only befunny to you and others that share yourviews.

Doubt most would think the loss of an expensive monitoring collar bought with our license dollars, isa laughing matter. Then again,theclown that put it on the truck probablythought it was as funny as you do?

Cornelius08 02-05-2009 05:43 PM

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Cornelius08 02-05-2009 05:49 PM

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You're worried about that "expensive" collar? Well I dont think blowingMILLIONS through the last several yearson "pushing agendas" and blowing cash on trying to brainwash us with habitat tours, hiring biodiversity nut biologists, pamphlets, online resources, open houses, videosand other nonsense is very funny either, but such is life.;)

BTBowhunter 02-05-2009 06:07 PM

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ORIGINAL: Cornelius08

You're worried about that "expensive" collar? Well I dont think blowingMILLIONS through the last several yearson "pushing agendas" and blowing cash on trying to brainwash us with habitat tours, hiring biodiversity nut biologists, pamphlets, online resources, open houses, videosand other nonsense is very funny either, but such is life.;)



R.S.B. 02-05-2009 06:15 PM

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ORIGINAL: bluebird2


ORIGINAL: DougE

What the heck,isn't the USP offering up a $10,000 reward for any mountain lions shot?
You like to point to the 8% harvest rate in the study as an indication that hunters aren't harvesting enough deer to reduce the herd. However, the only reason they are offering a reward is so they get some data that comes closer to representing what is really happening.

Now here are the cold facts. From 2004 to 2007 the harvests in 4B reduced the PS DD from 23 DPSM to 18 DPSM and the herd in 2G dropped from 16 PS in 2004 to 10 PS DPSM in 2007. Therefore, the results form the doe survival study are highly flawed and the PGC is trying to correct that by offering a reward.

You aren’t so dense as not to have realized that the doe mortality study was set up to monitor does with collars on were you. They know how many of those does were not harvested by hunters because they are still out there. So obviously hunters didn’t harvest then if they are still there. We already know that hunters harvested very few of the marked does in every study that has been done in the northern remote areas, based on the deer marked for the fawn study and the collared doe study.

The objective of the non-visible reward tags is to measure any variable their MIGHT BE on does without collars, assuming that some hunters might see the collar and then not shot that doe. Do you want to place any bets on how much change in the hunter harvest there will be on collared verse simply tagged does?

R.S. Bodenhorn

bluebird2 02-06-2009 03:48 AM

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You aren’t so dense as not to have realized that the doe mortality study was set up to monitor does with collars on were you.
Actually, it was set up and presented as a study to determine doe mortality from all sources including hunting. But,what they found was the study did not accurately measure adult doe mortality due to and they are now trying to correct that flaw. But, the study raises significant questions regarding the validity of the results from other studies using radio collared deer such as the fawn mortality study and the antlered buck study.

Also, I noticed that you failed to comment on the fact that the doe harvests,produced total harvests,which were still exceeding recruitment in both 4B and 2G. I wonder why? Could it be that it didn't support your claims that the habitat was controlling the herd?

cardeeer 02-06-2009 04:10 AM

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LOL you guys are argue over everything. I think the 100 reward is ridiculous ,but Who cares. I dont need a tracking unit to count the deer on my huntin property. They show up everyday and pose. Before huntin season they numbered 51 doe and 19 buck. on January 26th there wer 46 doe and 17 buck showed up at the feeders. I am happy.

Pawildman 02-06-2009 05:29 AM

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When someone refers to a college-educated, degreed biologist as a "nut", it sure doesn't take long to figure out they think they know more than the biologist.....hence a huge reduction in the credibility of their babble.
I honestly don't know why I even stop by this site anymore....always the same slanted USP horsepucky and hijacking as before.

muzzyman88 02-06-2009 05:51 AM

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Well after this last stunt the PGC performed (crossbows), I really couldn't care less what they do.

If they are trying to get more accurate numbers of what is happening with our populations, that's great. Something needs to be done. My problem is that they implemented HR without doing these studies in the first place. From what I've seen, they had absolutely no accurate numbers to base their original HR tag distribution on. They simply put a blanket over the state and gave out tags. Many areas suffered and some areas it had little effect on.

It looks as though they're scrambling to put numbers on their claims and justify their actions. The funny part is, they have to ultimately answer to us, the hunters, who provide them with a paycheck and keep them alive. Since hunter numbers are down, the life line is being cut and they're looking, hard, for solutions.

sproulman 02-06-2009 06:51 AM

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ORIGINAL: R.S.B.


ORIGINAL: bluebird2


ORIGINAL: DougE

What the heck,isn't the USP offering up a $10,000 reward for any mountain lions shot?
You like to point to the 8% harvest rate in the study as an indication that hunters aren't harvesting enough deer to reduce the herd. However, the only reason they are offering a reward is so they get some data that comes closer to representing what is really happening.

Now here are the cold facts. From 2004 to 2007 the harvests in 4B reduced the PS DD from 23 DPSM to 18 DPSM and the herd in 2G dropped from 16 PS in 2004 to 10 PS DPSM in 2007. Therefore, the results form the doe survival study are highly flawed and the PGC is trying to correct that by offering a reward.

You aren’t so dense as not to have realized that the doe mortality study was set up to monitor does with collars on were you. They know how many of those does were not harvested by hunters because they are still out there. So obviously hunters didn’t harvest then if they are still there. We already know that hunters harvested very few of the marked does in every study that has been done in the northern remote areas, based on the deer marked for the fawn study and the collared doe study.

The objective of the non-visible reward tags is to measure any variable their MIGHT BE on does without collars, assuming that some hunters might see the collar and then not shot that doe. Do you want to place any bets on how much change in the hunter harvest there will be on collared verse simply tagged does?

R.S. Bodenhorn
rsb, i have friends that have camp in area of collared doe, you are right, they are not shooting doe with collars on.

its not because they dont see those doe, they are.

in fact ,1 is at our feeder right now andshe is named BETTY.

no one shoots BETTY , she is queen.

so, now put a reward on so we will shoot BETTY.great program

sproulman 02-06-2009 06:53 AM

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ORIGINAL: muzzyman88

Well after this last stunt the PGC performed (crossbows), I really couldn't care less what they do.

If they are trying to get more accurate numbers of what is happening with our populations, that's great. Something needs to be done. My problem is that they implemented HR without doing these studies in the first place. From what I've seen, they had absolutely no accurate numbers to base their original HR tag distribution on. They simply put a blanket over the state and gave out tags. Many areas suffered and some areas it had little effect on.

It looks as though they're scrambling to put numbers on their claims and justify their actions. The funny part is, they have to ultimately answer to us, the hunters, who provide them with a paycheck and keep them alive. Since hunter numbers are down, the life line is being cut and they're looking, hard, for solutions.
very well said.;)

sproulman 02-06-2009 06:55 AM

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ORIGINAL: cardeeer

LOL you guys are argue over everything. I think the 100 reward is ridiculous ,but Who cares. I dont need a tracking unit to count the deer on my huntin property. They show up everyday and pose. Before huntin season they numbered 51 doe and 19 buck. on January 26th there wer 46 doe and 17 buck showed up at the feeders. I am happy.
how about inviting meto that PRIVATELAND ,sounds like fun......;)

cardeeer 02-06-2009 09:01 AM

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The property is not in slaughterville pa. Its another state that dont slaughter the doe or have 4 month deer seasons.. Nothing against anyone,But my wife and I allow no one to hunt except myself. My neighbors all shoot 8 pts and bigger and a very limited amount of doe. I know I am drawing deer from other properties. They just are addicted to my molasses drippers on the mineral blocks. I have dripped 240 lbs of molasses this year and went thru 2300 lbs of corn and 800lbs of protein pellets already.I am going to have to stop the molasses when the bear awake or mass destruction will occur. Molasses is cheap, 30 lbs for 7.00.

ABarOfSoap 02-06-2009 09:31 AM

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they do the same thing with striped bass i got one once, but donated the 100 too the study of the fish.

sproulman 02-06-2009 04:13 PM

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ORIGINAL: cardeeer

The property is not in slaughterville pa. Its another state that dont slaughter the doe or have 4 month deer seasons.. Nothing against anyone,But my wife and I allow no one to hunt except myself. My neighbors all shoot 8 pts and bigger and a very limited amount of doe. I know I am drawing deer from other properties. They just are addicted to my molasses drippers on the mineral blocks. I have dripped 240 lbs of molasses this year and went thru 2300 lbs of corn and 800lbs of protein pellets already.I am going to have to stop the molasses when the bear awake or mass destruction will occur. Molasses is cheap, 30 lbs for 7.00.


sproulman 02-06-2009 08:36 PM

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i see some good on this doe ear tag thing.

i see hunters leaving a doe go ,looking for ear tag.

you can bet my DCNR friends will watch this closely and KNOW where every doe was tagged.

they got 6 bears with bows this year, you can bet those doe will be easy one fror them.

explorer_Jack 02-07-2009 10:34 PM

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Out of all the deer that was collared. How many collars was collected back by the PGC? You didn't leave them on the deer. I am saying was all the collars accounted for and are still accounted for that was placed on deer? How many was never found?

BTBowhunter 02-08-2009 05:24 AM

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ORIGINAL: explorer_Jack

Out of all the deer that was collared. How many collars was collected back by the PGC? You didn't leave them on the deer. I am saying was all the collars accounted for and are still accounted for that was placed on deer? How many was never found?
You can read all about it on these links. The fawn study journals are biweekly reports from thefield personell. It takes a while to read the whole thing but it's definitely worthwhile and quite informative.


http://www.pgc.state.pa.us/pgc/cwp/view.asp?a=465&q=152897

http://www.pgc.state.pa.us/pgc/cwp/view.asp?A=11&Q=167184&pp=12&n=1

http://www.pgc.state.pa.us/pgc/cwp/view.asp?a=482&q=171111&pp=12&n=1


DennyF 02-08-2009 06:54 AM

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i see hunters leaving a doe go ,looking for ear tag

The ear tags cannot be seen unless you kill the doe and thenlook for it. They're small and located inside the ear. Given the penchant many hunters have for ignoringthings like regs changes and press releases, I suspectsome may go unredeemed because hunters won't haveheard about them?

bawanajim 02-08-2009 07:56 AM

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During the Devonian age were [&:]birds even present?

BTBowhunter 02-08-2009 08:23 AM

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ORIGINAL: bawanajim

During the Devonian age were [&:]birds even present?
They lived in the stone age. As a matter of fact I know one who is still stuck there;)

DennyF 02-08-2009 09:35 AM

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learn to use the Iiggy button, Luke. Your blood pressure and sense of harmony will benefit greatly.

;)

Cornelius08 02-08-2009 12:09 PM

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Ha ha ha. Cant handle the heat, get out of the kitchen eh Denny? Sorry your knowledge level doesnt permit you to partake of reasonable conversation on a board that doesnt force your opinion to be the only one. Guess this will be the next board you run crying from. Btw, how many more boards has galthatfishes gotten kicked off of for using inappropriate language?"

Any word on the ecoextremist running for the boc position?Some of those seats should be filled soon? Havent heard a thing about whos gonna fill them. Course that is the way the econuts want it. The less the hunters know whats going on the better.



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