New question?
01-31-2009, 10:24 PM
#1
Fork Horn
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Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: State college PA
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New question?
There is a lot of smart and diversified people on this site. The question is- Why does the PGC give the same amount of doe license out each year in my management area. Shouldnt it vary dependent on the deer kill. For example last year it didnt snow in my management unit and it was pretty crappy weather for rifle season. Rain mostly. Guess what 40K license were given out that year. This year it snowed and it was a slaughter. Guess what i bet they give out 40K next year. Wouldnt they be adjusting this number of doe permitsto MANAGE the Population? I guess it really doesnt matter because their is not many left anyway. I hunted hard in muzzleloader season- they are just not there like they use to be(5 years ago). i didnt hunt the same places either- i had a group of freinds that pushedalmost everyday-not many tracks or sightings. Hard hunters too.
02-01-2009, 03:56 AM
#2
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 3,879
RE: New question?
The PGC claims they don't know how many deer we have. That means they don't know how many are left after hunting season or how many fawns are recruited the following year. Therefore, if you believe what the PGC has been telling us , it is reasonable to conclude that antlerless allocations are just a WAG. If they guess that 40K tags will keep the herd stable, they'll allocate 40K tags every year, until something changes.
02-01-2009, 06:35 AM
#3
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: West Winfield New York USA
Posts: 545
RE: New question?
Who cares how many doe permits they give out? If there are not many deer do notshoot any does. If you need HR than shoot them. Alot of you guys complain there are no deer but will put on deer drives to kill the last one, than blame it on the PGC.
The deer explosion of the 80's and 90's surehas produced a differentbreedof hunter. I am sure they will not understand what i am talking about.
The deer explosion of the 80's and 90's surehas produced a differentbreedof hunter. I am sure they will not understand what i am talking about.
02-01-2009, 06:59 AM
#4
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Southampton Pa BUCKS CO
Posts: 2,492
RE: New question?
ORIGINAL: mlo3135127
Who cares how many doe permits they give out? If there are not many deer do notshoot any does. If you need HR than shoot them. Alot of you guys complain there are no deer but will put on deer drives to kill the last one, than blame it on the PGC.
The deer explosion of the 80's and 90's surehas produced a differentbreedof hunter. I am sure they will not understand what i am talking about.
Who cares how many doe permits they give out? If there are not many deer do notshoot any does. If you need HR than shoot them. Alot of you guys complain there are no deer but will put on deer drives to kill the last one, than blame it on the PGC.
The deer explosion of the 80's and 90's surehas produced a differentbreedof hunter. I am sure they will not understand what i am talking about.
Hatchet Jack
02-01-2009, 07:05 AM
#5
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: PA.
Posts: 5,195
RE: New question?
ORIGINAL: mikepsu54
There is a lot of smart and diversified people on this site. The question is- Why does the PGC give the same amount of doe license out each year in my management area. Shouldnt it vary dependent on the deer kill. For example last year it didnt snow in my management unit and it was pretty crappy weather for rifle season. Rain mostly. Guess what 40K license were given out that year. This year it snowed and it was a slaughter. Guess what i bet they give out 40K next year. Wouldnt they be adjusting this number of doe permitsto MANAGE the Population? I guess it really doesnt matter because their is not many left anyway. I hunted hard in muzzleloader season- they are just not there like they use to be(5 years ago). i didnt hunt the same places either- i had a group of freinds that pushedalmost everyday-not many tracks or sightings. Hard hunters too.
There is a lot of smart and diversified people on this site. The question is- Why does the PGC give the same amount of doe license out each year in my management area. Shouldnt it vary dependent on the deer kill. For example last year it didnt snow in my management unit and it was pretty crappy weather for rifle season. Rain mostly. Guess what 40K license were given out that year. This year it snowed and it was a slaughter. Guess what i bet they give out 40K next year. Wouldnt they be adjusting this number of doe permitsto MANAGE the Population? I guess it really doesnt matter because their is not many left anyway. I hunted hard in muzzleloader season- they are just not there like they use to be(5 years ago). i didnt hunt the same places either- i had a group of freinds that pushedalmost everyday-not many tracks or sightings. Hard hunters too.
only 1 reason, they dont want deer in numbers we have now.
they want it less than a dpsm can hold.
02-01-2009, 07:15 AM
#6
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: PA.
Posts: 5,195
RE: New question?
ORIGINAL: mlo3135127
Who cares how many doe permits they give out? If there are not many deer do notshoot any does. If you need HR than shoot them. Alot of you guys complain there are no deer but will put on deer drives to kill the last one, than blame it on the PGC.
The deer explosion of the 80's and 90's surehas produced a differentbreedof hunter. I am sure they will not understand what i am talking about.
Who cares how many doe permits they give out? If there are not many deer do notshoot any does. If you need HR than shoot them. Alot of you guys complain there are no deer but will put on deer drives to kill the last one, than blame it on the PGC.
The deer explosion of the 80's and 90's surehas produced a differentbreedof hunter. I am sure they will not understand what i am talking about.
9 crews went thru my area i hunt that had around 3 deer in it.
2 of those crews drove first week in wmu2g ,clinton county in my area.
they were buck hunters only and LOCAL crews.
from the first saturday, which you could kill a doe, in came 7 crews from out of areas like harrisburg where deer are and tried to kill off the 2 doe that were left,the buck was shot earlier.they hunted for 4 of days in second week also.
in those crews it averaged 7 to 11 hunters.
i asked them why they would come here and kill off the 2 doe that were left when they had so many deer in harrisburg area..
ONE WITH GLASSES ON END OF HIS NOSE SAID,SPROUL WE SAW HERDS OF DEER HERE IN EARLY IN-LINE SEASON.
this was a college student too, maybe he will be a commissioner for the PGC someday.
02-01-2009, 07:43 AM
#7
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Nov 2005
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RE: New question?
My opinion is..........
It has alot to do with money. The PGC needs money. Cutting doe licenses means less money.
I feel the PGC realizes that hunters are pretty upset about things so the new way to get more money is to legalize crossbows to sell more archery stamps.
Many hunters that don't feel comfortable going out with a compond or recurve will go out with a crossbow.
The money gained for one archery stamp= almost 3 doe tags.
I don't have any numbers but I wonder how much the sales of muzzle loader stamps went up when they legalized inlines.
I'm sure the PGC took a good look at this when they decided to legalize crossbows.
It has alot to do with money. The PGC needs money. Cutting doe licenses means less money.
I feel the PGC realizes that hunters are pretty upset about things so the new way to get more money is to legalize crossbows to sell more archery stamps.
Many hunters that don't feel comfortable going out with a compond or recurve will go out with a crossbow.
The money gained for one archery stamp= almost 3 doe tags.
I don't have any numbers but I wonder how much the sales of muzzle loader stamps went up when they legalized inlines.
I'm sure the PGC took a good look at this when they decided to legalize crossbows.
02-01-2009, 11:54 AM
#8
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RE: New question?
If they wouldnt be screwing the hunters on a continual basis, they wouldnt have needed to screw them again just to get more money. They'd have already had their license fee increase and they wouldnt want for anything.
02-01-2009, 07:30 PM
#10
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: PA.
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RE: New question?
ORIGINAL: mikepsu54
Why just not increase the cost of doe license's. I would gladly pay double the doe license cost if things were ran right.
Why just not increase the cost of doe license's. I would gladly pay double the doe license cost if things were ran right.