RE: A better relationship with our PGC? How?
 

well,ahhhhhhhhhh.be nice now sproul

RE: A better relationship with our PGC? How?
 

rwj, our next USP meeting at our sportsmans club, will you come?

RE: A better relationship with our PGC? How?
 

I too attend a high percentage of the Sportsmen club meetings in my county. I have missed very few of the County Sportsmen meetings where each club in the County sends a delegate or two. I generally only attend individual club meetings though when they invite me. I used to try attending some of them but many of them are only sportsmen clubs in name so they can get a liquor license. When I would show up for their meetings they never talked about any sportsmen business anyway and their meetings consisted of financial business, or who was going to tend bar during which hours and days.

I jump at every possible chance to attend meetings with hunters, all they have to do is let me know they want a program or that they just want me to be there to answer questions.

Most of our officers are more then happy to come out and meet with hunters. As RWJ already pointed out just call and ask.

As for many of the comments you just heard on this board though I will have to say that there are some people that will never accept anything that anyone from the Game Commission has to say because we don’t always tell people what they want to hear and instead do our best to just tell them the truth.

R.S. Bodenhorn

RE: A better relationship with our PGC? How?
 

As I see it there's big problems on both sides....

Here we have WCO R.W.J. offering help to get communication going between hunters and the PGC. Thats the kind of help we need. Thank you WCO R.W.J.!!!:D

Of course then we get Bluebird telling us there's no use in trying to communicate! That kind of crap, no one needs.[:'(]

Then we have RSB telling us that he doesnt care if hunters take a flying leap with their money. No one needs that kind of garbage either. If RSB is tired of trying to communicate with the people who provide his funds, maybe he needs to find a new line of work.[:'(]

I have no respect for the USP but on the other hand, the UBP has backed the PGC several times where it meant sacrificeby the bowhunters but the UBP supported it because we believed the resource was being served. Now the BOC approves crossbows without any science supporting it and in the face of strong opposition from guess who? The UBP. This was purely a social issue and the BOC spit in the eye of the organization who has supported them all the way. I stiil cant support the USP types who have been crying no deer for 30 years but I'm beginning to understand their desperation lawsuit strategy. (I said I understand it, I still dont agree with it)

As I see it, there's a whole lot of fence mending and house cleaning that needs done on both sides and I'm not real hopeful that either side is gonna take the first step.[:'(]

RE: A better relationship with our PGC? How?
 

You wouldn't recognize the truth if it was printed on an oak 2X4 in big red letters that hit you square between the eyes!!

If you want to prove I am wrong ,tell us why the breeding rates decreased by 5%,or why the buck harvest didn't return to normal after 2002.You can't or won't do it because you are a fraud!!

RE: A better relationship with our PGC? How?
 

Asked and answered many times Bluebird. RSB provided those facts regarding the breeding rates, you tried to distort them and I proved you wrong with the math spelled out for all to see. Everyone who commented on it agreed that you had distorted things. As you well know, I have an issue with RSB myself right now but he was right on that one and you simply wont give up. You are the biggest fraud on these boards. You arent helping your cause with all your lies distortions and fraudulent statements

RE: A better relationship with our PGC? How?
 

You beat me to the punch BTB. Bluebird,I'm new on this forum,but I have already noticed,regardless what the topic is,you come out of the starting gate with a negative towards that topic.

RE: A better relationship with our PGC? How?
 

That is an absolute flat out lie. You didn't prove anything other that you can't tell the truth. You are one step lower than RSB when it comes to veracity and values.

RE: A better relationship with our PGC? How?
 

That is simply not true. If the topic reflects reality I will support it. If the topic is false and misleading I will oppose it. I deal with facts and reality rather than feel good theories and wishful thinking. Please feel free to show that anything I post is false or misleading.

RE: A better relationship with our PGC? How?
 

Thanks blkpowder! I rest my case BB:D

RE: A better relationship with our PGC? How?
 

The only case you have is a case of Lyme disease. Which explains much of your irrational responses on this MB.

RE: A better relationship with our PGC? How?
 

RE: A better relationship with our PGC? How?
 

Believe it or not I get asked very few deer management questions, there is more to the PGC and wildlife than just deer. Most are law questions

RE: A better relationship with our PGC? How?
 

If you were in my district I would come in a heartbeat if invited.

RE: A better relationship with our PGC? How?
 

that was not answer i was expecting

RE: A better relationship with our PGC? How?
 

R.W.J, Thanks for the info. To DougE,BTB,R.S.B and others. Thanks for contributing to my topic. I have to sign off now. Almost fogot, goodnight bluebird.

RE: A better relationship with our PGC? How?
 

Just because we dont agree on some issues doesnt mean we dont have some things in common, Its good for people to put a face on the PGC just to see we arent the jack booted forest monsters all the bar room stories make us out to be, and for us to see that there are everyday people that belong to different organizations maybe different ideas but regular folks just the same.. Heck I'd even talk to a liberal...LOL

RE: A better relationship with our PGC? How?
 

And that is how it should be since you are an expert in law enforcement and not a professional deer manager. However,RSB represents himself as being both,when in fact he is not qualified to presents the views of the professional deer managers

RE: A better relationship with our PGC? How?
 

"Asked and answered many times Bluebird. RSB provided those facts regarding the breeding rates, you tried to distort them and I proved you wrong with the math spelled out for all to see. Everyone who commented on it agreed that you had distorted things. As you well know, I have an issue with RSB myself right now but he was right on that one and you simply wont give up. You are the biggest fraud on these boards. You arent helping your cause with all your lies distortions and fraudulent statements "

What bb said was fact. The reproductive rates were supposed to be the telling measure of if and how the plan was working. The rates DECLINED. Wether the reason they didnt INCREASE was because there was nothing wrong in the first place or the fact that pgc has insufficient data as rsb suggested, doesnt matter. In either case, THERE IS NOTHING THAT SUPPORTS STAYING THE EXACT COURSE as we are doing! Science DOES NOT support what is going on right now.

As for ubp, yeah, those guys got hosed, just as we anticrossbow/bowhunter/nonubp guys have. Ubp supporter the "plan" and for the most part still do. Why? I think we ALL know why. Political reasons. I don't blame them. On the other hand, NOW, I dont think there is a whole helluva lot to be gained. They've been slapped in the face about as hard as pgc could do so, and its never gonna be retracted. If ubp continues to support pgcs anti-deer planEXACTLY AS IS as theyve done all along... with very little if ANYTHING to ever again be gained via their cooperation.... They are complete and totalidiots.

RE: A better relationship with our PGC? How?
 

If RSB is correct that the breeding rates decreased by 5% due to a shift in sample size and location, then you are admitting that the PGC is managing the herd based on flawed data and that breeding rates failed to increase in the vast majority of the WMUs, despite reducing the statewide herd by 600K deer.

RE: A better relationship with our PGC? How?
 

They just legalized full inclusion of crossbows yet the high majority of PA hunters are against it.So why did it happen?Money and a bigger anterless deer harvest.deer harvest.Some say allocations control the kills which is true to an extent but still not all anterless tags are filled.
So is the PGC listening to hunters?I don't think so.People have been saying alot of public lands have very low deer numbers from overharvesting yet what's being done?The jury is still out on 2G.
Seems to me the PGC is driven by money now and that's about it.
Some say the hunters aren't educated yet their classroom is in the field out in reality and not behind a computer yet their knowledge is written off as uneducated.What a freeking joke.

RE: A better relationship with our PGC? How?
 

I don't believe it. I said it before I don't think the mass didn't want it. I believe the mass archers didn't want it. I have friends in PA who hunt alot and don't get on the net or buy PA hunting magazines. They said they didn't know anything about Xbow vote. Let me ask this question? The people who herd about this vote about Xbows coming up, Where did you here about it at? Who told you about this vote? Like I said,My PA friends didn't know anything about it till I told them. Was it on the local news or was it in the local papers.How was it advertised for all to know about this decision that was up for a vote?

RE: A better relationship with our PGC? How?
 

Uh, mail to the BOC members ran 90% against and 10% for inclusion.
I believe 42 people spokewhile the PGc entertained public comments. 10 for and 32 against.

It was in all the outdoor press repeatedly fron June on and more heavily written about throughout the hunting season when all hunters are most likely to read about such matters. What more proof do you need EJ? How much more public exposure do you expect?

On top of that, no scientific evidence was presented todispute the possible concerns raised by those against inclusion making this a purely social decision.

Add to that the fact that one member of the BOC who voted yes stands to reap financial benefit from full inclusion and the whole thing stinks to high heaven.

RE: A better relationship with our PGC? How?
 

Let me ask this question? The people who herd about this vote about Xbows coming up, Where did you here about it at? Who told you about this vote? Like I said,My PA friends didn't know anything about it till I told them. Was it on the local news or was it in the local papers.How was it advertised for all to know about this decision that was up for a vote?

RE: A better relationship with our PGC? How?
 

This is one place hunters and gun owners heard about it, this is just one place of many.:eek:
























Friday, January 16, 2009



Over the last several years, there has been a growing debate concerning the use of crossbows in Pennsylvania. At its upcoming meeting, the Pennsylvania Game Commission will be voting on a proposal that would make Pennsylvania the twelfth state to allow the use of crossbows during the state archery season. This meeting will be held from Sunday, January 25 to Tuesday, January 27. To view a copy of the agenda, please click here.

NRA strongly advocates for any expansion of hunter opportunity and choice when there is no biological reason to oppose the expansion. In fact, states that have allowed the use of crossbows have been able to maintain healthy wildlife populations. Additionally, the recruitment and retention of hunters has improved by removing crossbow restrictions. At a time when the number of hunters is declining, nothing is more important than the ongoing effort to preserve and strengthen our hunting heritage.

The Pennsylvania Game Commission has received input on both sides of the issue from stakeholders concerning this proposed change. It’s time the Pennsylvania Game Commission hear from the very sportsmen and hunters they represent. There is little doubt that non-hunters and “animal rights” forces will be active in making their voices heard, so it is vital that sportsmen speak loudly.

Please contact the members of the Pennsylvania Game Commission TODAY and respectfully ask that they act to preserve our cherished hunting heritage by voting for the inclusion of crossbows during the state archery season. Contact information for your Game Commissioner can be found below.

Roxane Palone, President
[email protected]
Greg Isabella, Vice-President
[email protected]

Jay Delaney, Jr., Secretary
[email protected]

Russell Schleiden
[email protected]

Tom Boop
[email protected]

Dave Schreffler
[email protected]

Ron Weaner
[email protected]
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RE: A better relationship with our PGC? How?
 

Like I said, Was anyone sent anything in the mail from the PGC? Or does one have to be a member or subscriber to a organization to know about those dealings? Like I said on another post. Decide the year before and have these questionaires placed at license dealers and have them filled out before a licensed is issued. Then you would have better accuracy than you do now with alot more input from all the hunters. Mandatory 16yrs and older.

RE: A better relationship with our PGC? How?
 

thats a fact jack

RE: A better relationship with our PGC? How?
 

Saw two polls on two different websites.Also in a column of outdoor news.That's OK if you don't believe it,I'm just relaying the info.

RE: A better relationship with our PGC? How?
 

Didn't mention the letters to the BOC because BT already did.Thanks BT:D

Here's something else you guys won't believe,crossbows will have an affect on the archery seasons and/or allocations.I promise you that.

RE: A better relationship with our PGC? How?
 

That's a good idea but if they did that possibly full inclusion wouldn't be passed.But then again since money was the deciding factor it probably wouldn't have mattered.

RE: A better relationship with our PGC? How?
 

Nope. That would have been a good idea if we could assume that the BOC was even interested in hunters opinions. This was done as quickly as the law would have allowed. Brought up in June as "explore the possibility" voted on once in October and again in January both times against the majority who expressed an opinion. Based on the responses they got and their vote, it sure looks like it wouldn't have mattered at all what the hunter response was.

RE: A better relationship with our PGC? How?
 

is their a legal reson or just a good one that the pgc could charge say 5 smackers to hunt sgl/state land
for a yearthen they could make some more money