"Don't bother because you'll just hear PGC propaganda" Bluebird doesn't want an open dialogue. Yoo gotta worry about someone who doesnt want folks to hear both sides. He just wants a soapbox to scream from and he often resorts to lies and distortions to make his case.

ORIGINAL: bluebird2

That is just pure nonsense. Unlike you who just sits back and believes what you are told, I did the work required to educate myself regarding the details of the plan and searched high and low from every source available. As a result I am able to tell when someone is telling the truth or just presenting a biased personal opinion to promote an agenda. I listened to Alt's sales pitch and have met and corresponded with Dr. Rosenberry, but unfortunately the PGC has launched a plan to hide as much information as possible while appearing to be forth coming. Until that changes more dialogue will do little to resolve the current issues.

ORIGINAL: Cornelius08

Btb, what is your problem? You claim not to be a pgc "yes man" but that sure doesnt look that way to many people.

Why are you concerned with "both sides" being heard?? You know darn well everyone is being heard loud and clear. It isnt exactly as if bb is a moderator here or administrator and hes banning people or editing to control their views as happens on hpa....or even over on bowsite where crossbow talk is no longer permitted due to ubps desire to "mend fences" with pgc. They dont want to put off a bad vibe with all the guys complaining. I didnt realize bowsite was hpa the junior bowhunting edition.

I can tell you, that representatives and commissioners alike read some of these boards and what is it you wish to convey to them, because due to all your contradictory posts, it sure isnt very clear.

You either want change or you don't. And to dilly dally around like I want this little change....er maybe...but um...ok if not too... Id say you are seen as a pgc 100% as is supporter or someone who doesnt care one way or another about anything. And if you don't care one way or another I don't see the reason why you even bother arguing so vigorously against those that do.. What are you afraid of?? That pgc is gonna all of a sudden allow 2 million deer to be had??[8D] There is much middle ground and very solid positioning to be had that is both scientifically sound and a helluva lot more hunter friendly than we have right now. Don't you think it about time you pick a position and stick with it?

If your message was the truth you wouldn't try be trying to discourage open dialogue which is what was offered. You simply want to spew your twisted, non productive negativism all over the net and attempt to convince people to not even hear both sides. The only reason I can think of for someone to not want to let both sides be heard, is a fear that their side will simply lose or, worse yet, be exposed as a fraud. In your case, the answer is behind door number two.

Table 8. Change (λa) in deer density by WMU, 2004 to 2007,
Pennsylvaniab.
WMU 2004 2005 2006 2007
1A 0.96 1.03 1.12 0.72
1B 0.96 1.05 1.07 0.95
2A 0.97 1.01 0.93 0.91
2B 1.07 1.07 1.12 0.78
2C 0.85 0.96 1.03 1.10
2D 0.92 0.96 1.02 0.88
2E 0.83 1.14 0.88 0.91
2F 0.90 0.88 0.93 0.85
2G 0.89 0.95 1.06 0.77
3A 1.00 0.95 0.90 0.97
3B 1.00 0.94 0.96 1.09
3C 0.90 0.92 1.10 0.83
3D 0.87 0.94 0.95 0.95
4A 0.90 0.78 1.35 1.29
4B 0.89 0.83 1.24 0.80
4C 1.03 0.90 0.97 0.87
4D 0.85 0.90 1.14 0.82
4E 0.88 1.08 0.83 0.93
5A 1.00 0.81 1.07 1.06
5B 0.91 0.96 1.04 0.87
5C 0.97 1.03 0.92 0.94
5D 1.13 0.83 0.79 0.83
a λ = 1.00 indicates no change in deer density. Values greater than
1.00 indicate increases, less than 1.00 indicate decreases.
b λs from prior years may not match λs previously reported because
λs are updated as new harvest and population data become available.

ORIGINAL: Cornelius08

"You are delerious arent you? BB specifically tried to discourage blkpowder from inviting a PGC employee to meet with his sportsmans club. That was my response to him in that context. What are you and he afraid will happen if such an exchange takes place? "

I couldnt care less who has a meeting with pgc employees. If the person holding the meeting knows what that will entail and embraces it, more power to 'em.

"I have a position. Sorry you're so upset to find that just because I have issues with the PGC and some of it'smanagement policies doesnt mean that I'm still not ready to buy yours and BB's Koolaid."

Bb's koolaid isnt my own, nor is usps or yours. If we agree on a particular issue we agree. If we dont we dont. Same goes with all the other players.

"If I hurt your feelings by first expressing my displeaure with certain PGC decisions and statements only to also find some middle ground that you happen to disagree with, well, I guess you'll just have to live with it"

Didnt hurt my feelings a bit. I know you are a drama queen and found the 360 degree turn around in a 24 hr periodtobe humorous actually.

"I beleive that my opinions are mine and Just becausethey dont fallneatly in your corner or possibly in anyone elses is simply too bad. "

Loosely translated. You are a brown-noser and nothing will change that including cute little staged dramas. (LOL)(LOL)

ORIGINAL: Cornelius08

Btb, what is your problem? You claim not to be a pgc "yes man" but that sure doesnt look that way to many people.

Why are you concerned with "both sides" being heard?? You know darn well everyone is being heard loud and clear. It isnt exactly as if bb is a moderator here or administrator and hes banning people or editing to control their views as happens on hpa....or even over on bowsite where crossbow talk is no longer permitted due to ubps desire to "mend fences" with pgc. They dont want to put off a bad vibe with all the guys complaining. I didnt realize bowsite was hpa the junior bowhunting edition.

I can tell you, that representatives and commissioners alike read some of these boards and what is it you wish to convey to them, because due to all your contradictory posts, it sure isnt very clear.

You either want change or you don't. And to dilly dally around like I want this little change....er maybe...but um...ok if not too... Id say you are seen as a pgc 100% as is supporter or someone who doesnt care one way or another about anything. And if you don't care one way or another I don't see the reason why you even bother arguing so vigorously against those that do.. What are you afraid of?? That pgc is gonna all of a sudden allow 2 million deer to be had??[8D] There is much middle ground and very solid positioning to be had that is both scientifically sound and a helluva lot more hunter friendly than we have right now. Don't you think it about time you pick a position and stick with it?