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sproulman 01-21-2009 03:10 PM

RE: Predators and deer
 

ORIGINAL: bluebird2

Then the hunting in 2F must be terrific, WMU 4E must be fabulous, 5C must be out of this world and 2B must be one big deer farm!!:)

you are very funny:)

sproulman 01-21-2009 03:13 PM

RE: Predators and deer
 

ORIGINAL: DougE

I don't disagree with that at all.That's why I laugh at all the belly aching.Seriously,some of you guys are hunting in areas that are harvesting more dpsm than we have.I have no problems finding plenty of deer to harveston public land in 2G.I can't believe some of you guys can cry about no deer.

douge,you really are one heck of hunter,you always see PLENTY of deer,i just contacted REDHEAD at bass pro to see if they have opening for you.:)i

sproulman 01-21-2009 03:16 PM

RE: Predators and deer
 

ORIGINAL: explorer_Jack

If you could have access to 90% of 2B to hunt. I promise you,With 59,000 doe tags handed out, That area would be like 2G. If there is so many deer in 2B,How can the habitat not be bad there when you have more deer than any other WMUs? At allowing over 60,000 doe tags for that WMU alone should tell you something. Do they have magic plants that regenerate after eating so fast that the deer population can not do enough damage to their habitat. Think about it for a moment. 60,000 tags and the habitat is in excellent condition. Hows that possible if there is that many deer that they can give out 60,000 tags a year for that WMU?
good point, maybe RSB will add something on that.

BTBowhunter 01-21-2009 03:19 PM

RE: Predators and deer
 

ORIGINAL: bluebird2

Then the hunting in 2F must be terrific, WMU 4E must be fabulous, 5C must be out of this world and 2B must be one big deer farm!!:)
We finally agree on something Bluebird! 2F is terrific!!!

BTBowhunter 01-21-2009 03:30 PM

RE: Predators and deer
 

ORIGINAL: explorer_Jack

If you could have access to 90% of 2B to hunt. I promise you,With 59,000 doe tags handed out, That area would be like 2G. If there is so many deer in 2B,How can the habitat not be bad there when you have more deer than any other WMUs? At allowing over 60,000 doe tags for that WMU alone should tell you something. Do they have magic plants that regenerate after eating so fast that the deer population can not do enough damage to their habitat. Think about it for a moment. 60,000 tags and the habitat is in excellent condition. Hows that possible if there is that many deer that they can give out 60,000 tags a year for that WMU?

Access is the big issue in 2B without a doubt. The habitat is also excellent simply because the whitetail is a creature of the edge and is so adaptable.Much of 2B is suburban, and there are a lot of reverting and working farms. All of those tend to grow a lot more food than a stand of timber

sproulman 01-21-2009 03:40 PM

RE: Predators and deer
 
if anyone gets to hyner,pa. my friend has deer he is raising.

i think around 11.

his fenced in area is no bigger than about 1 acre.

his deer are all fat and sassy.

funny how person can raise 11 deer in 1 acre and we cant keep 1 deer alive in 1 mile.

bluebird2 01-21-2009 03:52 PM

RE: Predators and deer
 


ORIGINAL: BTBowhunter


ORIGINAL: bluebird2

Then the hunting in 2F must be terrific, WMU 4E must be fabulous, 5C must be out of this world and 2B must be one big deer farm!!:)
We finally agree on something Bluebird! 2F is terrific!!!
Hunting in 2F is terrific because the PGC HR plan failed. WMU 2B is a deer farm because the PGC HR plan failed. WMU 2g has the worst harvest rate in the state because the PGC plan was a success. So according to the PGC a successful deer management plan is one that produces the lowest harvest rate possible. WHAT A PLAN!!

BTBowhunter 01-21-2009 04:09 PM

RE: Predators and deer
 
Hunting in 2F is terrific because we now have reasonable numbers of good size healthy deer instead of ridiculous numbers of itty bitty deer, the habitat is recovering and the size and quality of the deer is better, both bucks and does. Doesn't sound like failure to me:D. Dont feel too bad though. You got the part about the hunting being terrific!

2B is terrific simply because the food is abundant and access is available for those willing to put in some time.Sanctuary areas have as much to do with bucks getting to older ages as AR does but AR is still valuable here. The PGC HR plan for 2B is only moderately successful simply becausethey cant control all the factors invloved in managing a habitat with a very high human population.

sproulman 01-21-2009 04:09 PM

RE: Predators and deer
 

ORIGINAL: bluebird2


ORIGINAL: BTBowhunter


ORIGINAL: bluebird2

Then the hunting in 2F must be terrific, WMU 4E must be fabulous, 5C must be out of this world and 2B must be one big deer farm!!:)
We finally agree on something Bluebird! 2F is terrific!!!
Hunting in 2F is terrific because the PGC HR plan failed. WMU 2B is a deer farm because the PGC HR plan failed. WMU 2g has the worst harvest rate in the state because the PGC plan was a success. So according to the PGC a successful deer management plan is one that produces the lowest harvest rate possible. WHAT A PLAN!!
DCNR has the plan, plan is to remove deer.

PGC i dont believe ever was concerned about deer health to start this whole thing,i dont believe thats what brought HR about,it was DCNR and the audobon groups that got right people in place and pushed for the HR because of way forest was affecting trees and birds.

no doubt the habitat is not great but i dont feel the PGC was behind this plan, they just had to step in line and go along with it even tho they may AGREE with it, they did not start it.;)



bluebird2 01-21-2009 04:26 PM

RE: Predators and deer
 

Hunting in 2F is terrific because we now have reasonable numbers of good size healthy deer instead of ridiculous numbers of itty bitty deer, the habitat is recovering and the size and quality of the deer is better, both bucks and does
But forest health is rated poor in both 2G and 2F and 2F has lower regeneration rates than 2G. yet the PGC is managing 2F at 22 PS DPSM and 2G at 12 PSDPSM. When I ask Dr. Rosenberry about that discrepancy he didn't have an answer and neither do you. So the question is ,is 2G being mis-managed or is 2F being mis-managed?

Regarding 2B, the PGC doesn't consider anything but forested habitat as suitable deer habitat. Reverting farms,reclaimed strip mines,lawns, hay fields and power line right of way are assigned no habitat value by the PGC. The PGC goal for 2B was 13 DPSM and in 2005 it had 36 DPSM and the PGC said the herd was still increasing.


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