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RE: WOW! Treehuggers dont run the show in other states like they do in Pa!!
ORIGINAL: bronko22000 Gentlemen - I agree with the mismanagement of the PA deer herd. Cannot say for sure about the timber industry. If they are complaining about the deer populations they don't have a leg to stand on. The state forests througout NC PA have acres of trees dieing of old age. Why don't they do selective harvest in these areas? Probably because it will open up the canopy to allow for new growth with will draw more deer..... its a double edged sword. bronko,want to hear TRUE story about our great DCNR. logging trucks came to us and said,WE CANT GET TO OUR LOGS BECAUSE THE ROADS HAVE CANOPY OVER THEM AND SUNLIGHT DOES NOT HIT DIRT ROADS, SO WE MAKE RUTS SO BAD WE CANT GET TO TREES. so, we had committee a few years ago backed by our local senator to look into it. we asked the great DCNR to cut the trees back 15 ft on each side of roads so sun could dry roads out. you know what they said, they said, SPROUL DONT YOU KNOW THAT A SPOTTED LIZARD lives in those rocks along roads and sunlight would kill them.  as paul harvey says, GOOD DAY!:) |
RE: WOW! Treehuggers dont run the show in other states like they do in Pa!!
wco told me about grant money,he is on here, i forgot his intials,i think like rwj or something. next, i was with SENATOR,yes, i do have that influence but not as much now. he is big insurance senator too,he backs them and his family is in it bigtime too. he has broughtthat up many times behind closed door meetings in harrisburg. my local state farm agent told me many times that state farm was pushing to have deer reduced in pa. he hunts too and ALSO WANTED them kiled off. he talked just like the DCNR boys do about deer. you cant blame insurance co. for doing what they can to deer. with all the FRAUD info that is given them,over 50% of wrecks that say they MISSED a deer ,never did. they were speeding,fixing eye lases,cell phones,drunk,yelling at kids,falling asleep. of course, you could say because you were in the insurance business, i am wrong but i feel the deer get blamed for too many accidents that they did not happen. next, i was with SENATOR,yes, i do have that influence but not as much now. he is big insurance senator too,he backs them and his family is in it bigtime too. he has broughtthat up many times behind closed door meetings in harrisburg. my local state farm agent told me many times that state farm was pushing to have deer reduced in pa. he hunts too and ALSO WANTED them kiled off. he talked just like the DCNR boys do about deer. you cant blame insurance co. for doing what they can to deer. with all the FRAUD info that is given them,over 50% of wrecks that say they MISSED a deer ,never did. they were speeding,fixing eye lases,cell phones,drunk,yelling at kids,falling asleep. of course, you could say because you were in the insurance business, i am wrong but i feel the deer get blamed for too many accidents that they did not happen. When you win at the casino, you didn't beat the house. The house won as always because it took a slice of the money from the losers before paying the rest of it back out to you. Insurance companies make their money much the same way. of course, you could say because you were in the insurance business, i am wrong but i feel the deer get blamed for too many accidents that they did not happen. What happens behind closed doors is that they're quietly happy we have so many deer claims. It's simply a cash cow for them. Oh and for the record, I worked in the industry but I will be the first to tell you I have no love for that industry. There are a some very unscrupuolous insurance companies out there. Some would sell out their mother to make a buck. There are enough bad ones to make me glad I'm out of it. One of the worst, BTW,is based right here in Nortwestern PA.Their name sounds kinda likea big lake in the area;) |
RE: WOW! Treehuggers dont run the show in other states like they do in Pa!!
i would never name anyone but i will tell you this, i am writing up what i would like to see in WMU2G on deer for meeting this month.
for 28 miles i think i can say around 10 deer last year from road kills by cars /trucks from what pen-dot told me . half of those would not have been killed if truckers would try to work with us. they travel in groups of 4 or more at high speeds and the deer miss the first one and jump behind second. if they would not do this to keep their speed up,many deer would not be hit. but they get paid by trip, so traveling like this they make more money. |
RE: WOW! Treehuggers dont run the show in other states like they do in Pa!!
sproul i drive a truck almost every day yes trucks hit them yes some go fast slowing down a little
doesnt help with my trucks you have 50 tons you cant stop them fast if you are only doing 20 That is why i have 3/8 inch thick stainless steel bumpers |
RE: WOW! Treehuggers dont run the show in other states like they do in Pa!!
You finally got something right. there is no way TT drivers can adjust their speed to avoid hitting deer. the DOT cares more about road kills than the insurance companies. The DOT has to maintain endless miles of fencing and they have to cut the vegetation along the shoulders of the highways to reduce the number of collisions with deer.
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RE: WOW! Treehuggers dont run the show in other states like they do in Pa!!
ORIGINAL: bowtruck sproul i drive a truck almost every day yes trucks hit them yes some go fast slowing down a little doesnt help with my trucks you have 50 tons you cant stop them fast if you are only doing 20 That is why i have 3/8 inch thick stainless steel bumpers usually a single truck is no problem but put 4 together at high speed,deerwill get hit by second or 3rd truck. we see it a lot. |
RE: WOW! Treehuggers dont run the show in other states like they do in Pa!!
a tractor trailer at 55mph with dry road conditions and a gvw of 80000 it takes about a football fields
lenth to stop local tankers for salt brine ,milk,water get overload permints and weigh in at about 98000 to 110000 roughly 50 tons i have hit 2 deer in about last 5 years but i am out there before sunrise and after i know people that hit more than 2 a year with their car |
RE: WOW! Treehuggers dont run the show in other states like they do in Pa!!
I agree. I slow down every time I see a deer anywhere close to the road , but I still hit 3 deer in the last 50 years of driving and I put on a lot of miles working for the state of Pa. . Many roadkills are simply beyond the control of the drivers especially at night when vision is limited.
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RE: WOW! Treehuggers dont run the show in other states like they do in Pa!!
well bb atleast we agree on something
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RE: WOW! Treehuggers dont run the show in other states like they do in Pa!!
We all have something in common if we look hard enough. Truckers put their life on the line every time they climb in that cab, just like police,fireman or EMR personnel. Their job just isn't quite as glamorous as the others,but we can't live without them!
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