RE: From our Friends at Audubon
 

Hmmmm> In case you forgot, my friend t'was I who first mentioned Doug being in "lockstep" in his beliefs with Alt and Audubon with the antideer extremism. When you are wrong you are constantly trying to change the rules! (LOL)

And judging by all the juvenile name-calling, its clear to anyone reading it isnt ME who is "upset". (LOL)

But as often as you are wrong, I think you'll quickly get over it.

BTW, Dougie was a member at hpa longer than he was here, and so wereBluebird and I.;)

Now dont keep getting caught in lies and you won't have that steam coming out of your ears.

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Sorry to disappoint you cornhole but the fact that you simply cant read what was written is amusing at best. I posted a statement that was clear enough for a third grader to comprehend. Bluebird probably understood but he twists everything. You simply couldn'tunderstand what you were reading as evidenced by the fact that you still can't grasp the situation
so post away in your blissful state of stupidity.

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You lied. You didnt have a clue what bb Doug and I had discussed or not discussed on hpa. Admit it to yourself and move on. Gotta watch that temper tantrum. You said that ticker aint so good.;)

RE: From our Friends at Audubon
 

same here but in comes the doe hunters here in wmu2g when there are few deer left and shoot 6 like douge does.

those types are ruining our hunting in my opinion.

i did not even see a deer this season, first in 47 years.

i only hunt buck.

its funny, i was reading where now they are going to study deer.

5 of the group are all backing plan as is now, 1 lone group is the USP who are against it, i am surprised they were even in group of 6.
that audobon group is there ,right out in front.

hey DOUGE, herte is chance ole buddy,get in there and tell them about all deer you see.

RE: From our Friends at Audubon
 

"that audobon group is there ,right out in front"

When it comes to deer management in Pa they alwaysare my friend....at least in the eyes of Pgc[:'(]

In the mean time, Pa hunters don't even get the back seat or the trunk when it comes to considering management goals or options.

RE: From our Friends at Audubon
 

He did the same thing in my discussion with RSB about the decrease in breeding rates. He sided with RSB even though RSB admitted that the change in sample distribution occurred before breeding rates decreased. He is just like RSB who will say just about anything to defend the failed PGC plan. RSB even posted that 98% of adult doe in Elk Co. have been bred,which is 10% higher than the state average, yet he claims breeding rates didn't decrease in any WMU. That is simply unbelievable!

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question, i am learning too here.

most of the doe i see i feel are about 1.5 years old,

like 6 or so i saw before archery, 1 looked like she may have been a 2 year old doe, rest young deer.

are you saying this may be reason that we have less fawns too other than predators i hear barking in early june after fawns.

RE: From our Friends at Audubon
 

Iwas a member here for about the same time I was in HPA.I only logg on at work and every now and then,I can't access certain sites that have anything to do with hunting so I've changed my screen name but it was always close.Actually BB,it was me that referred you to this site.You know darn well that I opposed Alt and his methods of spreading his message from the beginning and never waivered from my opinion.

Cornelius,I've never defended Kathy Davis during any discussion.Please show me where I've ever supported reducing the herd past the PGC goals.2ahad over 100 dpfsm in 2001.Alot less deer was obviously the way to go and the data supports that.Does it need further reduced now?I don't know but I've never stated that it does.I just find it comical thatyou hunt in the wmu that has the highest dd in the entire state and still bawl that it isn't enough.Wow,40 dpsm in an area that's only about 50% forested.No wonder it was one of the poorest conception rates for fawns in the entire state.


I understand the importance of good habitat and I understand how deer can effect that habitat.I have no problem finding and harvesting deer in the WMU that has the lowest deer density in the entire state.We have less deer now,as we should and it doesn't bother me or have any effect on my hunting experience or success rate.

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what do you tell the new hunters doug. the future pgc bread and butter. the 15 and under group douge? again more selfish people on this board of support less deer and not future hunters. people who don't care about children getting into this sport. the future of hunting does not matter to you from your selfish unthoughtout post of i don't care. what a shame that we have selfish ignorant not for the future of the hunters in this state. you disgust me.[:@]

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Deer are destroying the ecosystem. Like over developing their habitat has nothing to do with it.

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dont give the pgc another excuse to work with.they are milking the starve to death not enough food for all its worth.

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It's easy pedro.People like you disgust me.People that have no idea what the deer have done to the habitat is huge areas of the state.In any event,what do I tell young hunters?First,you show them how to scout.You teach them how deer react to thechanging habitat and what food sources are important at different times of the year.You teach them how to hunt and how to be successful.You don't try to show them instant gratification.When I first started hunting,I didn't see any more then than I do now onthe puclic land in 2G where I hunt now.I never gave up and I never wanted to quit.Hunting is supposed to be a challenenge.That's what makes it fun.

pats,are you suggesting that we add more deer over over developed habitat

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There is no doubt that reducing the average age of the doe in the over wintering herd has contributed to the decrease in recruitment. If you have 6 ,3.5 doe and they all have twins ,yotes can kill 6 of the fawns and you still have 6 fawns left. If you have 6 , 1.5 doe and they produce 6 fawns and yotes kill 5 you only have 1 fawn left.

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that is bs douge and you know it. you have no concern about the future of hunting at all. you are very selfish ignorant person. no kid is going to like walking around in snow seeing nothing or getting to shoot at anything. yes take them into the thickets and let them get shot by the other hunters who are trying to get a deer also. stupid SOB on this sight. just how many deer can these areas hold that you talk of douge? serious, during rifle season are these deer you speak of going to be there and not on posted land? how many deer douge do these deer hold compared to hunters? tell us, how many dpsm doug compared to hunters? you do disgust me when you think about no one but yourself. i guess it is understanding when you are a punk kissing the pgc behind to fit in with them. disgusting.[:@]

you didnt see more then you do now. that is bs or you didnt hunt long and shot the first deer you seen. bs douge on that. how are the deer you see on the side of the road licking salt backn then to now. yea, just as i thought douge. more bs from a punk.

RE: From our Friends at Audubon
 

you got a pm sport.At the risk of being banned,I felt it better to not respond to you childish and baseless rant on a public forum.

RE: From our Friends at Audubon
 

Sport , I like that.[8D]

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my email dont work on here. you are a selfish little punk. its all about you and no one else. you dont care for any other hunters and dont take the young ones into consideration when you talk about hunting and the future. to me that is a selfish worthless care about nothing but me punk attitude.
how old are you? 17 18? now your trying to be mature with words like sport. your still a punk douge with that selfish attitude of i dont care,i still get deer and it dont matter if no one else does. rude obnoxious pgc wanna be punk. someone should turn you over their knee and spank your punk butt.again ignorant seflish kids today in this world.

RE: From our Friends at Audubon
 

Really this is uncalled for if you don't like what Doug post click on the ignore button, you have opinions and so do the rest of us ,if you can't express them in a civil manor then don't express them at all. Sport.

RE: From our Friends at Audubon
 

Well said Jim!

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I didn't send an e-mail.I sent you a PM.Regardless,I refuse to get into a internet tough guy matchwith you.I'll guarantee that you'd never have the guts to talk to me in person like you do over a keyboard.

RE: From our Friends at Audubon
 

Actually Petro, it sounds like any youth lucky enough to be introduced to this great sport by Doug is quite likely to have a good experience because I have no doubt that any youth that goeshunting with Doug WILL see plenty ofdeer:D.

RE: From our Friends at Audubon
 

unlike you i have a professional job. if you want to have a person to person meeting let me know punk. i got flights starting tomorro and will not be back for 2 weeks. you dont know what you are getting yourself into. dont ever call this man out, you will loose punk. we will see who has the guts boy when i get back. i hope you know how to find fayette county. you brought this call, now see if your brave enough to follow thru on it when i return. wouldnt expect anything less from a punk. thats all that you are, a punk !@# little boy with a me me attitude. pathetic. have a good 2 weeks punk and remind me of this when i return, i wont think much about it as i am sure you will. you have no clue you snotty little selfish brat.

RE: From our Friends at Audubon
 

douge a little boy his self, with your rude and name calling you do, i wonder about your age also. adolecent adults on this forum are just as bad as snotty little punk kids. dont go away mad idiot, just go away. have a good night children.

RE: From our Friends at Audubon
 

Just look at the pot calling the kettle black. You're an expert at cheapshots and insults and you have no problem with BTB calling me a bloXjob.

RE: From our Friends at Audubon
 

douge, he does have point,not being smartBUT I HAVE TO AGREE ,KILLING DEER LIKE YOU DO IS WRONG WHEN SO MANY ADULTS/KIDS DONT EVEN SEE A DEER.

wouldnt it make you feel better to take a adult with you or kid along.

again, not being smart with you but you can see how mad most hunters get when we hear of hunter on PUBLICLAND killing our doe and fawns off when we dont have many left and not taking a kid out with you, is not something i would ever do.

RE: From our Friends at Audubon
 

DOUGE, now that is not nice.:)

cant you just cool it.

your winning, your kiling all deer you can, you won.

not necessary to get all mad.

RE: From our Friends at Audubon
 

petro, lets cool down a little too, i know, you get as mad as me over what he says and does but lets cool down a little.;)

how about it.

you have good info too, some of douges comments are true, many many are leaned toward his goal of herd reduction and DCNR POLICY which is not true.

lets try to be a little calmer, keep adding your info, it all helps but we must stay Calm .



;)

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"2ahad over 100 dpfsm in 2001."

Actually it didnt. Thats wrongon all too many levels..You are speaking of one part of one county. Not the wmu as it is now. Also I never said NO reduction was needed>The highest the herd got was 69DPSM in Greene co. OW. And thats what pgc manages for an ow herd. Then, I didnt say NONE was probably beneficial, I said it went further than necessary, and despite claims of Stabilization, its STILL going on despite pgcs claims the allocation doesnt lie.... ANd extremist dougie keeps changing the subject and ignoring that real issue.

And I agree you didnt stick up for kathy davis... But you choose your wording CAREFULLY and decietfully. You stuck up for her decision of further reduction as you continue to do. You stated why reduction was needed, even though more reduction WASNT needed by pgcs data and then their hollow word.

"I just find it comical thatyou hunt in the wmu that has the highest dd in the entire state and still bawl that it isn't enough."

I find it funny you ignore the facts. THe herd is declining. Its less than 40 dpsm as you cite. And heading MUCH lower with the allocations we have. Why? Oh, no reason. Pgc is issuing more tags than will allow the goal of stabilization with 55 and 60k when 45k reduced a MUCH larger herd...and has been for 4 years now, but oh well...I shouldnt care according to lil' extremist Dougie...[:'(]

"in an area that's only about 50% forested."

Ha ha ha. Yeah. We arent "big woods" We are FARMLAND....and reverting farmland...Not CITYDougie,Greene county pa for example the biggest town is WAYNESBURG...ha ha. Have you ever even heard of it dougie? Pgc doesnt count 30-40% of the entire county as "forested" because it isnt... Its even BETTER deer habitat. Briar thickets lil dougie in the deer desert of the north can only dream of. Edge habitat. Growing up fields. Hayfields. Clover fields. Reverting strip mines. Sloughs.. BETTER than timbered. Yet pgc designates it as ZERO percent of the deer habitat! (LOL) What a joke. Course you knew that too dougie. We discussed that as well on the pa outdoors site.;) But your extremist memory is a bit selective.

Reproduction in this area is as good as anywhere. But even Pgc rated it as satisfactory, which wouldve been higher if the "plan" hasnt become such a failure and had STATEWIDE reproduction DROP, and alsoif pgc had legitimate sample sizes and didnt test 1 doe per 100square miles due to ineptitude and laziness! (LOL). Sorry that doesnt equalless deer for you treehuggers.;)

RE: From our Friends at Audubon
 

""unlike you i have a professional job. if you want to have a person to person meeting let me know punk. i got flights starting tomorro and will not be back for 2 weeks. you dont know what you are getting yourself into. dont ever call this man out, you will loose punk. we will see who has the guts boy when i get back. i hope you know how to find fayette county. you brought this call, now see if your brave enough to follow thru on it when i return. wouldnt expect anything less from a punk. thats all that you are, a punk !@# little boy with a me me attitude. pathetic. have a good 2 weeks punk and remind me of this when i return, i wont think much about it as i am sure you will. you have no clue you snotty little selfish brat. ""

Ha ha ha. Petro, I see you have that nimrod figured out. Im sure plenty of people would like to chat with lil Dougie. Hes not very easy to get along with. I had words with the joker myself on another site awhile back. Funny thing is he shut his trap when someone told him who I was on HPA. He saw my pic on my post and shut his pie hole. Im heavy into weightlifting and an amatuer bodybuilder... And Doug? Hes just a lil' loudmouth eco-extremist.

RE: From our Friends at Audubon
 

You still have no idea what you're talking about.The 2001 deer density in Greene county was 96 deer per forested square mile.Washington county was at 108.Is that a small corner of 2a?

I never said the herd in 2A wasn't declining.

RE: From our Friends at Audubon
 

Oh boy! Now we got Petro and Corny beating on their chests LOL



Folks get awfully brave behind a keyboard and OMG!! Corny is a big body builder and he has has a scary pic too!! I guess if heposts it here we'll all just have to run and hide

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I actually have no idea who you are or who you were on on HPA.I don't hide behind a phony name.I can assure you that I've never seen your picture before and wouldn't really worry about it if I did.Bragging about being a weighlifter really doesn't impress me one bit.I still have local bench press records that still haven't been broke.In fact,I have some recent ones that no one has even come close to.

RE: From our Friends at Audubon
 

Btb, just ask your friend Dougie in a Pm. Seems he likes to lie and play stupid. I guess it beats humiliation.

Dougie, he he he. I couldnt care less about your imaginary LIGHT WEIGHT records. (LOL) Big boys dont play with weights that somewhat strong women should be liftin'....;)

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"Folks get awfully brave behind a keyboard and OMG!!"

Im always brave.

"Corny is a big body builder "

Something wrong with that?

"and he has has a scary pic too!!"

Not intended to be scary. I generally get alot more respect in person than on message boards. Maybe thats why I like message boards. I actually have someone that will argue back with me!:D

"I guess if heposts it here we'll all just have to run and hide"

Naa, wouldnt want your pacemaker to sputter. Your liable to do a face first nose-plant intoyour keyboard and result in the first post youve ever made that made sense!:D

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"I never said the herd in 2A wasn't declining."

Imwas talking about STILL declining. And If you agree with me that it IS, then you also agree with me pgc is lying by saying STABILIZATION. No?

RE: From our Friends at Audubon
 

Thump thump thump on the ole chest there Corny! Tell us again how big you are! We're all duly impressed!

I've found over the years that the guy who has to tell everyone just how big and strong and scary he is usually compensating for some insecurity.

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"You still have no idea what you're talking about.The 2001 deer density in Greene county was 96 deer per forested square mile.Washington county was at 108.Is that a small corner of 2a? "

Pgc manages for an ow density. THATS NOT OW-DEER DENSITY!!! It was 69 ALL TIME HIGH For Greene county and 79 for washington which can be found on the 2002 annual report.

Thats also FORESTED square miles and not square miles so that makes the numbers VERY deceptively high. I guess that makes the shock value (as was intended) Use the appropriate ow density and convert to SQUARE MILES and the total is a FRACTION of those numbers you cited.

Not particularly interested in how many fawns we havethat impact the habitat little, and that, in a time of plenty from late spring tohunting season.

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Hey beard, He he, I may pound my chest but at least I havent lied on every post to purposefully decieve people, then turn around and say Gosh darnit! By Golly, gosh darnit if cornelius is one, then Im a weightlifter too!...Even have some lightweight records at the gym where 3 people go!

Allpretty convenient dont ya think?:D

RE: From our Friends at Audubon
 

I never lied about a single solitary thing and you can't give me one example.Believe me,pretending to be like you isn't one of my goals.

RE: From our Friends at Audubon
 

1. Every single post you make has deceit. Including the one Im replying to!! Notonly lying but LYING ABOUT LYING!!! As for other instancesIve pointed it out VERY often, Id say go back through the posts and I point out plenty of examples of pure deceit.

2. It should be.Maybe you wouldnt feel the need to lie so much and with a better attitude, Maybe thenyou wouldnt have guys wanting to punchyour lights out on every single message board you go to. Pedro on here, more than one on other message boards where you started pizzin matches with em on Pa sportsman and huntpa and here and on and on.... When I come upon a new board I simply wonder.....Hmmm. Whos douglas gonna tick off on here?

Dont worry, I dont include myself currently in that ranks. I think your a pretty funny guy myself.:D

Course you werent worried... Coz, you got records N'at.(LOL)(LOL)