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bowtruck 01-03-2009 05:33 AM

how many hunt public land
 
just

cardeeer 01-03-2009 05:51 AM

RE: how many hunt public land
 
I have 2500 acres of public land 300 yards out my back door. Have not step on it the past 20 years, Waste of time. I have my own property in another location far away from any public Pa.NO gamelands.

bowtruck 01-03-2009 08:28 AM

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i have only hunted in the gamelands when i was a kid that was only small game thou
dont think i would ever deer hunt their specialy gun

sproulman 01-03-2009 09:07 AM

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interesting POLL,this may be reason that some say they see LOTS of deer and others dont in WMU2G of pa.

ones that do hunt PUBLICLAND and ones that HUNT the PRIVATELAND OR NEAR PRIVATELAND.;)

sproulman 01-03-2009 09:12 AM

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ORIGINAL: bowtruck

i have only hunted in the gamelands when i was a kid that was only small game thou
dont think i would ever deer hunt their specialy gun
i think GAMELANDSare worst hunting than PUBLICLANDS ,even tho the gamelands has habitat far beyond what is seen on publiclands.;)



Coalcracker 01-03-2009 10:36 AM

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ORIGINAL: sproulman

interesting POLL,this may be reason that some say they see LOTS of deer and others dont in WMU2G of pa.

ones that do hunt PUBLICLAND and ones that HUNT the PRIVATELAND OR NEAR PRIVATELAND.;)
I think that is the case in most WMU's. It's really an enjoyable hunt on private/posted land, when you can go hunting for two hours in the evening and have a 50/50 chance or better of seeing a few deer.

BTBowhunter 01-03-2009 10:48 AM

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i think GAMELANDSare worst hunting than PUBLICLANDS ,even tho the gamelands has habitat far beyond what is seen on publiclands.;)
I agree Sproul. I don't hunt game lands much any more simply because of the pressure they always get. I often drive right past a rather large gamelands near my camp and generally see a fair amount of cars parked there. We seldom see or hear of much success there. Our gang goes right on by that gamelands andwe always find good hunting with far less hunting pressureon public ground just a few miles away.



sproulman 01-04-2009 10:37 AM

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you want to see a disgusting thing, go to SGL252 in lycoming county.

the BEST habitat you will ever see, corn, alfahfa,acorns, winter wheat,ponds, high green grasses,browse all over,apple trees on and on.

the PGC does a great job there but you will not find 1 pile of deer poo and very few buck rubs,if any.

GREAT HABITAT MEANS NOTHING IF YOU OVERHARVEST THE DOE/FAWNS .


i even saw very few squirreals,they shot all those out too.



disgusting [:@]




bowtruck 01-04-2009 01:36 PM

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sounds disgusting sproul sure wish pgc would cut back some or alot depending where your at

RSB 01-04-2009 07:19 PM

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You guy must have an altogether didn’t situation then we have around here.

The game lands here are the most under hunted areas yet have lots of deer provided a hunter is willing to get into the habitat that should have deer. Unfortunately there are also areas of mature trees with no under story on the game lands where there aren’t deer because that simply isn’t deer habitat. Those are the place I most often see the hunters hunting though. Most of them remember the days when there were lots of hunters pin balling deer across those wide open areas all day and still expect to have deer crossing those wildlife dessert areas now.

Now when I hunt the game lands I can be pretty sure I will not see another hunter and all I have to do is get back in the think stuff where deer can find food and it is over run with deer. My one son and hunted a thick hard to hunt chunk of game lands one day last week and between us we twenty deer in stuff where you were darn lucky if you could see fifty yards in any direction. There were tracks every where.

The game lands around here are excellent hunting for those that are willing to hunt instead of sit waiting to shot something.

R.S. Bodenhorn

bluebird2 01-04-2009 07:28 PM

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Unfortunately there are also areas of mature trees with no under story on the game lands where there aren’t deer because that simply isn’t deer habitat.

The PGC claimed mature stands of saw timber can support 20 DPFSM ,but you claim it isn't deer habitat. That would also mean that pole timber isn't deer habitat ,so are you claiming over 80% of our forests aren't deer habitat?

sproulman 01-04-2009 07:45 PM

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when they stock pheasants,we hunt sgl in lycoming.

hunters all over place.

but very few if any hunt there in deer season, you are right but reason is, LACK OF DEER.

i talked to locals there in antes fork for over 20 years i have been going there to hunt pheasants.

they blamed AMISH the most.

they said they hunted it until everything is dead.

most i talk too say same thing, it is SHOT OUT.

a few deer can make a heck of lot of tracks.
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i have 2 doe in my area i hunt left,i was out saturday with dog grouse hunting.

you would think there was HERD of deer in that area, tracks all over.

but if you follow tracks andare aware what is in your area, you will see that 2 deer CAN MAKE A LOT OF TRACKS,day in day out.



petropedro 01-05-2009 02:05 AM

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ORIGINAL: RSB

You guy must have an altogether didn’t situation then we have around here.

The game lands here are the most under hunted areas yet have lots of deer provided a hunter is willing to get into the habitat that should have deer. Unfortunately there are also areas of mature trees with no under story on the game lands where there aren’t deer because that simply isn’t deer habitat. Those are the place I most often see the hunters hunting though. Most of them remember the days when there were lots of hunters pin balling deer across those wide open areas all day and still expect to have deer crossing those wildlife dessert areas now.

Now when I hunt the game lands I can be pretty sure I will not see another hunter and all I have to do is get back in the think stuff where deer can find food and it is over run with deer. My one son and hunted a thick hard to hunt chunk of game lands one day last week and between us we twenty deer in stuff where you were darn lucky if you could see fifty yards in any direction. There were tracks every where.

The game lands around here are excellent hunting for those that are willing to hunt instead of sit waiting to shot something.

R.S. Bodenhorn
wow 20 deer on sgl versus 100+ hunters. how many dpsm by how many hunter psm? the concept is to give out more deer tags to hunters than there are deer? more hunters than deer by 70%= more fawn production now than from previous years when we had more deer? come on now rsb, now we know your bs is bs.

20 deer between you 2? you sure you seen 10 each? maybe it was 7 that looked like 10.

20 of us was pushing deer and 1 ran down the length of the drivers. all together we seen 20 deer between all us also.
just doing math like rsb does to get these results and fool people on here.

petropedro 01-05-2009 06:14 AM

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ORIGINAL: RSB

Now when I hunt the game lands I can be pretty sure I will not see another hunter and all I have to do is get back in the think stuff where deer can find food and it is over run with deer. My one son and hunted a thick hard to hunt chunk of game lands one day last week and between us we twenty deer in stuff where you were darn lucky if you could see fifty yards in any direction. There were tracks every where.

The game lands around here are excellent hunting for those that are willing to hunt instead of sit waiting to shot something.

R.S. Bodenhorn
sounds like you are suggesting for people to throw lead at deer and hope for a luck shot. you are not going to walk into a deers bedding area and get a shot at one. they will bolt before you see them. what kinda game plan is that? sounds very dangerous advise to me. start throwing lead in the thickets where you can't see who or what might be 20 yrds away. good advice,get someone killed with that kinda talk rsb. where is your common sense. hunt thickets for deer where you can't see clearly for more than 30 yrds. how close do you think you will get to a deer in those thickets to get a non moving shot and know what is on the other side case you miss? your goanna get someone killed with that mumbo jumbo crap of a plan to harvest a deer. unfreaking real from a so called professional.

DougE 01-05-2009 07:45 AM

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I didn't read any of that into R.S.B's post Pete.R.S.B is absolutey correct.The public lands in 2G are some of the most underutilized properties in the state.I rarely ever see another hunter on public land.This year I saw three on the first day of rifle season,one on the first saturday and none on the last day.That's pretty much the same every year for me.

I guess you must be one of those guys that hunts in an area where he can see the farthest and then cry when you fail to see a deer.Once again,are you for real?



petropedro 01-05-2009 08:09 AM

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ORIGINAL: DougE

I didn't read any of that into R.S.B's post

I guess you must be one of those guys that hunts in an area where he can see the farthest and then cry when you fail to see a deer.Once again,are you for real?

:eek: ironic statement there. so you are suggesting hunting thickest also then or just walking around the edges of them? some of you people on here are to funny with your statements of what is said and what is not. if the deer are in the thickest how are you going to see them if your not in the thickets where they are? to freakin funny dougy.

BTBowhunter 01-05-2009 08:45 AM

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I think I might have given the wrong impression with my last post. First, I don't have that much experience on many gamelands in recent years. The very large one that we regularly pass near camp does always seem to get more pressure than the surrounding public ground so we simply keep on going.

Forexample, we slept in on the last day of rifle seasonat camp. We madeit out the door toward our planned spots about the time we should have been on stand. We we're talking about the lack of hunters (parked vehicles) till we hit thegamelandsborder. over the next couple of miles we saw about a dozen cars. Not really a crowd but we only saw two cars in several more miles once we were past the gamelands. This was a typical scenario.

I have no doubt that there is plenty of game deep into that gamelands butsince a virusleft me with permanent heart damage afew years back, Iamno longer capable of going in beyond the crowds. One of my regular companions at camp has a leg thats essentially paralyzed from mid thigh down and since we can find places we can get to that arent pressured, we simply drive on by.

We are usually able to find plenty ofdeer and solitude right down the road. But thats in my part of 2F where there is basically one very large gamelands surounded by ANF and timber company land.

Nearer to home, the game lands where I've hunted in 2B also get a ton of pressure.

From my limited experiences in 2G which was in the Ridgeway and St Marys areas several years ago, I do seem to remember an abundance of gamelands which would seem to dilute the pressure from those folks who seem to seek them out. A that time, we always saw hunters but the numbers were manageable.

DougE 01-05-2009 09:17 AM

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What's so funny about hunting thick areas?The areas I rifles hunt are very similar to the areas where I bowhunt.Areas where a 50 yard shot is a long shot.Most success hunters that I know hunt very similar areas.the key to being succesful is hunting where the deer should be,not where you want them to be.You obviously have alot to learn.

rybohunter 01-05-2009 09:44 AM

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I cannot believe some of the things I’ve read in this thread. Time to click the little red hand again.
Pedro, if you truly don’t understand why someone would hunt in a thicket, that has GOT to be a leading reason why you aren’t seeing deer. If you can’t get past that, you are beyond help.


My gameland experience is a little limited, but the times I have hunted there I really cannot complain. Yea it can be a zoo at times but the places were not so devoid of deer that it made hunting useless. Call me crazy but if I was hunting somewhere and wasn’t seeing deer or deer sign, I’d move. Whether it was 100 yds or 10 miles.


sproulman 01-05-2009 10:03 AM

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ORIGINAL: DougE

I didn't read any of that into R.S.B's post Pete.R.S.B is absolutey correct.The public lands in 2G are some of the most underutilized properties in the state.I rarely ever see another hunter on public land.This year I saw three on the first day of rifle season,one on the first saturday and none on the last day.That's pretty much the same every year for me.

I guess you must be one of those guys that hunts in an area where he can see the farthest and then cry when you fail to see a deer.Once again,are you for real?


MY FRIEND DOUGE,REASON IS THERE ARE VERY FEW DEER ON SGL.
ITS NOT LIKE HUNTING ON TREASURE LAKE IN DUBOIS, PA.

sproulman 01-05-2009 10:05 AM

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ORIGINAL: rybohunter

I cannot believe some of the things I’ve read in this thread. Time to click the little red hand again.
Pedro, if you truly don’t understand why someone would hunt in a thicket, that has GOT to be a leading reason why you aren’t seeing deer. If you can’t get past that, you are beyond help.


My gameland experience is a little limited, but the times I have hunted there I really cannot complain. Yea it can be a zoo at times but the places were not so devoid of deer that it made hunting useless. Call me crazy but if I was hunting somewhere and wasn’t seeing deer or deer sign, I’d move. Whether it was 100 yds or 10 miles.

RYBO, when you say its ZOO at times,do you mean with LOTS OF HUNTERS?

sproulman 01-05-2009 10:06 AM

RE: how many hunt public land
 

ORIGINAL: BTBowhunter

I think I might have given the wrong impression with my last post. First, I don't have that much experience on many gamelands in recent years. The very large one that we regularly pass near camp does always seem to get more pressure than the surrounding public ground so we simply keep on going.

Forexample, we slept in on the last day of rifle seasonat camp. We madeit out the door toward our planned spots about the time we should have been on stand. We we're talking about the lack of hunters (parked vehicles) till we hit thegamelandsborder. over the next couple of miles we saw about a dozen cars. Not really a crowd but we only saw two cars in several more miles once we were past the gamelands. This was a typical scenario.

I have no doubt that there is plenty of game deep into that gamelands butsince a virusleft me with permanent heart damage afew years back, Iamno longer capable of going in beyond the crowds. One of my regular companions at camp has a leg thats essentially paralyzed from mid thigh down and since we can find places we can get to that arent pressured, we simply drive on by.

We are usually able to find plenty ofdeer and solitude right down the road. But thats in my part of 2F where there is basically one very large gamelands surounded by ANF and timber company land.

Nearer to home, the game lands where I've hunted in 2B also get a ton of pressure.

From my limited experiences in 2G which was in the Ridgeway and St Marys areas several years ago, I do seem to remember an abundance of gamelands which would seem to dilute the pressure from those folks who seem to seek them out. A that time, we always saw hunters but the numbers were manageable.
NO, YOU GAVE RIGHT IMPRESSION;)

rybohunter 01-05-2009 10:11 AM

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Yep sproul. Hunters.

BUT I hunt a private land "zoo" too. Some days/seasons are worse than others, but I can typically gain myself space by heading for the thickest cover. It's too small to "out hike" anyone. I sit in the thick stuff & kill deer while most others hunt fields & where they can see. We have enough deer that they still usually see some, but they are running 500 mph and are tough to hit.

sproulman 01-05-2009 10:31 AM

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ORIGINAL: rybohunter

Yep sproul. Hunters.

BUT I hunt a private land "zoo" too. Some days/seasons are worse than others, but I can typically gain myself space by heading for the thickest cover. It's too small to "out hike" anyone. I sit in the thick stuff & kill deer while most others hunt fields & where they can see. We have enough deer that they still usually see some, but they are running 500 mph and are tough to hit.

the PGC needs to close deer hunting on their SGL land for a few years.

then get a good estimate how many deer are on there and only allow so many tags to hunt deer there,IF THEY WANT TO HAVE DEER .

otherwise, its more of same, BEST HABITAT IN WORLD AND WORST HUNTING OF DEER/GROUSE/SQUIRREALS/RABBITS,yes rabbits, those rabbit hunters day in day out can clean a area right out.

i once was a rabbit hunter, i know what has happened.

RSB said it right on rabbits,the farms is one reason for less rabbits, over killing by hunters,predators,years ago a rabbit hunter would shoot a cat or owl, not now.

but you have great habitat in sgl and very few rabbits,WHY , because habitat IS great and that is where the pressure was put on rabbits by hunters and predators.;)

bowtruck 01-08-2009 04:36 PM

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the results of this poll are kinda diffrent than i thought they would be
less ppl hunt private than public


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