Now we see who the liar is.

Corny said:
But when the "scientific" survey by responsive management was pointed out he says: First you claim no such survey exists then you say you knew about it. One of those had to be a lie. Why am I not surprised. Youstill can't argue using documented facts, you pull numbers out of the air. Oh and then you type it in bold typeas if that makes your lies more believable.

You cant rile me with stupidy. I have an idea of the level of deer density in differing wmus and can tell you its a helluva lot more than one. That doesnt change the fact that there are far fewer than could be and should be for no good reason.

YOU may wanna give that up to ecofruitcakes desires but dont expect everyone else to.

My biggest gripes arent killing deer. Hell I could kill 100 of them. My skill is as good as anyones and so is my experience and dedication to the sport. I dont like what Im seeking and how it effects our sport. I HATE having ecoidiots dictating our management, and I dont like ALL of the effects it has caused.

BTW, I hunt buck only these days, and dont shoot barely legal bucks. Only way Ive been effected is I am seeing fewer "good" bucks even despite ar, thanks to our wmu being reduced by over 50% to the ow herd, for no good reason at all.

I dont have one particular gripe singularly. The whole cumulativeresult sux.

"Now we see who the liar is. "

That was more than evident the very first day I ever laid eyes on this board...YOU.

So....What part of THIS dont you understand? I reference HERD REDUCTION SEVERAL TIMES... Including in the very quote you used from me!

"The ONLY evaluations one has are the "unscientific" ones taken place on message boards, and all those through the years have been NON-herd reduction by a landslide."


If that statement is FALSE, please provide the quote and link to that says it is false. Show me the support for excessive herd reduction. Ha ha ha![8D]

Whats really sad is that it was 10 counts and it got pleaded down considerably.

Since it's public record, I can give you a hint who it was. Here's the website:

http://www.unifiedsportsmenpa.org/officer.html

Look at the honorary life member list

Maybe their theme song should be "We're so sorry, Uncle ALBERT"

I just wanted to say that I am NOT a member of the USP and that I am a very successful PA hunter.

I have more success than most. I also hunted West Virginia for 16 years but quit there in 2002.

I, for one, am not happy with the current Pennsylvania deer herd.


I can live with the current AR's but prefer the old rules. I feel that the PGC went way overboard on HR.

The PGC is biting the hand that feeds it. I personally hope they go bankrupt.Everyone worries that the DCNR will take over and ruin hunting.


How could they ruin hunting anymore than the PGC already has?

The PGC complains how they are running out of money, yet they find a way to fund a fisher reintroduction program. I'm sorry, when your are running out of money, you don't fund projects like that.

hunter make pa look like dummys on these forums

BTB referred to a review of the PA plan by other state agencies, when no such review exists. Cornelius referred to a survey of PA hunters where the majority rated the plan as fair to poor. BTB simply can't handle the truth and engage in a fair and honest debate.

I agree windwalker. I have no fear of a dnr/dcnr type system. That is what is in place in nearly every state across the country, yet Pa is the worst managed and has the highest level of hunter disgust BY FAR. Pa has the independent designation, but they are far from it and corrupt as all get-out. At least in an OPEN state run system the agency IS accountable to the people andsome obtuse small group like Audubon cannothavethe first and last word in wildlife management on a statewide basis just becausea couple of their cronyidiots managed to land commissioner seasts.

I guess I was mistaken. I thought I might be debating someone who could read. You obviously cant.

Im not saying your one of these types of people Cornelius. But what kills me I hear people blaming the DCNR for all the DMAPS they give out and thats why there is to few deer. And then in their next breath they want them to run the deer management plan.