what do you think NY antler restrictions
 

what is your guys opinion on antler restriction in ny do you want it or no my opinion I would like to see it.

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No to mandatory as a statewide restriction.
NYS is too diverse to be managed as one unit.

Steve

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You want antler restrictions apply them to yourself.

Mandatory restrictions is something I could never support.

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Don't like the idea of antler restrictions. I have watched both of my sons,now15 and 17 take thier first Bucks with bows. One was a 6 pt and the other was a 4pt. They were both hooked on hunting and never looked back. Antler restrictions would make it much harder for young hunters to take that first Buck. We have to get more youngsters into this.

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NO to antler restrictions!

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Oh try them you may like them, like some do here in Pa.;):D

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Anyone here who wants to try, can. No need for ar's to be mandatory. :D

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A self imposed restriction is a very good thing.

I also don't think a youngsters first deer should be counted in antler restrictions either for reasons already noted. As stewards of the land and its inhabitants, we should strive for a balanced herd.

Is it so terrible for a youngsters first deer to be a doe? I think teaching the next generation of hunters the importance of herd management as far as buck doe ratios and carrying capacity go,should bepart of the whole experience.

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Personallyit'd be nice to see a management system in NY that allows bucks to get bigger. What that system is I don't know. A.R.'s is not the complete answer. 3 pts to a side doesn't restrict all yearling bucks. I've also enjoyed many yrs of hunting with the opportunity to harvest any deer I chose. I've harvested many yearling bucks over the yrs. Nowadays I'm alot more selective. So to me it'd be unfair if others weren't allowed the same opportunities I've enjoyed.

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I only harvest a decent buck that is 8 point or bigger .
I have harvested many bucks and I admit also I to use to shoot the first legal buck i seen .
Though as mentioned there are many different areas over and under populated in NY ,
I would say yes to antler restrictions , Only harvesting bucks that have at least 3 points on one side .
I also agree on letting youth hunters to be able to harvest a doe up to the age of 17 .
Then they would have tofallow all adult rules .
I,m sure everone will say nooo .
But after a 3 year period you will see a big change in quality .
If your looking for venesin harvest a legal doe .
If your looking for a wall hanger why harvest a spike horn ???

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If AR were impemented in NY state I'm sure young hunters would be the exception, meaning they would still be able to take young bucks if they wanted. The AR Pilot Program that exists in the Catskills right now is letting kids take juvinile bucks. Unfortunately every kid in the area is migrating to the pilot program's area to shoot their bucks because they see more of them now...which is due to adults having to pass up spikes,fours and 5 points.

If AR are enforced so be it...it's not aperfect system but would increase the odds for sportsman to see more larger racked bucks. I'm tired of seeingneighbors shoot juvinile 1.5 yr. old bucks when they could have filled their freezer with a doe. The buck to doe ratio is all out of wack where I live. I passed up 9 diff. bucks this yr. during bow and gun and not one of them was over 6 points. They were all 1.5 yr. old juveniles. These were all last years button bucks and I know for certain 7 out of the 9 little bucks were wacked by neighbors.:(

I would be for a one buck per hunter per year....you choose your weapon.Guys are taking spikes and fours in my area with their bow tag, gun tag and muzzleloader tag. Isn't one small buck enough! Manditory check stations would be an idea also with major penalties and fines. I;m just fedup with Ny's deer herd management system, in my opinion the state just wants all the deer dead and as much revenue they can rake in instead of really being good stewards and taking advice from proff. biologists on how to make the herd as healthy and natural as possible. That's just my .02. Sorry if i offended anyone.

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The biggest fault that I can see pertaining to AR's in the enforcement issue. How can you possibly enforce them with only 2-3 active ECO's in a Region?

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And if you want venison and you don't have a doe permit and you do have a buck tag, use it ona spike if you want to anddon't worry a lick about some other hunter who whines and carries on because he thinks you're hurting his odds of harvesting a big buck. Screw em! Horn whores just aren't worth fretting about.

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Thanks for all the responses I do come form a family were brown is down is the motto of the camp I do agree for the younger hunters it would be a exception but me myself shooting many buck I would like to see our area possibly become the next Illinois or Kansas I know it will never be that great but If we all do our part we could make it a better place to hunt bring more money into the economy and make it more challangeing for oursleves.

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I think Ar's are a plot to sell more out of state licenses and see more land leased to outfitters, and to make it easier for mountain lions to kill more big bucks.

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Neither state I believehas mandatory AR.

Steve

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Seriously talk to people from those states and listen to how much problem they have finding land and how outfitters buy and lease every thing up.

Like Steve said they don't have AR's.

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Thats what I was thinking too. I dont' think AR would mean much to a lot of people. Who's going to monitor it?Hell i've been hunting for 21 years and not once have seen a DEC officer.

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I love the idea however I think it is everyone's right to take whatever deer they decide will satisfy their hunting experience, it's wild game and we regulate it enough as it is let it be, most hunters will find over time they will start to employ their own antler restrictions and be more satisfied doing so.

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Kansas or Illinois!! You gotta be kidding me. Those states are becoming so commercialized its more about Big $ for Big Bucks now.A good friend of mine has hunted Illinios 2x's. Both Outfitters he tried were very strict, and had their own pt restrictions. $100 fine per inch if you took a buck under their 130" limit. I have a co-worker who hunts Kansas every yr now. They lease a piece of farmers land for 1 wk. The farmer charges him & 5 other guys $1,500 each for 1 wks hunting rights to his property. That doesn't include any boarding or food! I never want to see NY become commercialized like that! [:@]

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100% against ARs! The DECs job is to control the population, not racks. I live 5 miles from NJ, they have ARs & the same exact deer we have here. Ny already has great deer hunting, remember one of the longest reigning word record bucks came from this state. (Roosevelt Luckey buck)

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What Illinois, Kansas, Iowa, etc, have that is most conducive to big buck, IMHO, everything else being equal, are short seasons. Imagine what the Southern Tier would produce if, once the first week of gun was over, they were safe. I would definitely support that experiment.

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The only way a shorter gun season would ever fly is if it comes from the gun hunters entirely.

Bowhunters in NY already have the rep for using the early bowseason as an unfair advantage to buck hunt.
I'm not sure how significant the difference would be with a shorter season - I seem to remember hearing that
the overwhelming majority of the gun kills come by the end of the 2nd weekend. I know around me, the woods go dead for hunter
numbers from the 2nd weekend until the last couple days - and I hear few shots then.

I think a one buck rule for much of the state might help.
But this idea gets the most resistance from bowhunters!

Steve

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i think ar is a good thing and we are starting to see results in ar dmu's in NY state, all you naysayers won't be complaining when your seeing and bagging 8 and 10 piont bucks in a few yrs>>>>

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The results of ARs in PA are not what was predicted. ARs did not double the number of 8 pt. buck or the number of 2.5+ buck. Only around 1% of our hunters benefit by harvesting a 2.5+ buck,while many more go without a buck due to ARs. Furthermore ,there was no increase in the percentage of buck in the older age classes because hunting pressure shifted from the 1.5 buck class to the 2.5+ buck class.

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No A.R. restrictions but i would like to see the gun season shortened and allow only one buck tag to be used forarchery, ML or gun. If my memory serves me correct all you were allowed when i started hunting(1977) was a buck a season. I believe mostmid western states have a short gun season and allow only one buck tag forany weapon.

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I value the freedom we have now more than even the best case scenario with ar. And btw, over the years I have taken many 8and 9 pointers andseveral 130+ class 10 pointers. With antler restrictions I might have had the opportunity to take a few more of the bigger bucks but so what. Like I said, I like the rules as they are. I value the fact that each hunter is free to implement his own standards.

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I did not mean the commercial aspect of it ?I meant the quality and amount of deer of those states You cant even tell me that deer here in new york state amount to the deer you see in kansas, iowa, and illinois not even close I do agree with the fact we should have a right to choose our deer we want to shoot, but then again do we have the right to choose were we can smoke anymore. So lets be realistic here.

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We do have "a right to choose our deer we want to shoot", what's at issue is whether or not we want to give it up. I certainly don't! And, btw, the smoking issue couldn't be more irrelevant here so yes indeed, "let's be realistic here".

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So we kill the best buck, and the spikes and forks are left to breed does?? Whoopie!!! I get to kill a 8 or 10 point. Yes, a giant 16" spread basket rack. Big deal.

I was just down to Ohio and watched 2 150+" gross bucks on my brothers farm. There were several other "smaller" bucks that had 8-11 points, that most people in NY would have had mounted. They killed 5 does so far this year. They haven't killed a buck in 2 seasons. They will kill one of the bucks if they get the shot (bow), but if they don't, so be it.

Most of the midwest states do not have mandatory ar's. It's a self imposed restriction, as it should be.

Bluebird has it right AR's only delay the inevitable.

One buck/person/season. Shorter gun season. Then we'll see some bigger bucks. Otherwise, be content with what we have.

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Hunting harder and a little luck is how you "see and bagg 8 & 10 pointers" not ARs. Every year I see dozens of pics of big bucks taken from W.Point, at the hunt control cntr there. No Ars, food plots ,or QDM, just good ol fashion big woods, public land deer hunting. Like I said ,right across the boarder in NJ they have ARs, and the same "quality" deer.

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That is a good idea also guys did not mean to get everyone all worked up about just was wondering what everyones opinion was Thanks again for the input.

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Well you have to consider it don't you?

Worked lol, bowanna this is a pretty mellow discussion for this site.