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BTBowhunter 12-24-2008 10:58 AM
RE: Rifle season 2008 is history
 
In other words you wish to teach your grandson that it's OK to disrgard laws and rules that aren't convenient or that he doesn't like. Nice.

bluebird2 12-24-2008 11:10 AM
RE: Rifle season 2008 is history
 
It's funny that BTB didn't have a problem when Livbucks filed a false report about tagging a deer he didn't kill!!

Coalcracker 12-24-2008 11:27 AM
RE: Rifle season 2008 is history
 
ORIGINAL: BTBowhunter

In other words you wish to teach your grandson that it's OK to disrgard laws and rules that aren't convenient or that he doesn't like. Nice.
What laws and rules? I could teach him to be a game hog, like many hunters are todaywith this ME thing. Thereis no law against getting allthe tags you can and trying to fill all of them, there is no law against owning private land and harvesting deer on public land. There is no law against killing button bucks or youths shooting buck under three points to the side, if they don't do it on theirown property but do it on public land.

You got your shorts all bunched up over one doe, now when I talk about killing button bucks and smaller bucks, which is legal, all you think about is trophy deer.

I have no legal obligation to pass on button bucks to supply the SGL with buck the following Spring. The SGL is within a half mile of my home, I supply the SGL with four or five bucks each year, in return I receive one or two 1 1/2 year old buck. Give me one good reason, other than that's what I should do, when it is perfectly legal to take these button bucks.

Coalcracker 12-24-2008 11:35 AM
RE: Rifle season 2008 is history
 
ORIGINAL: bluebird2

It's funny that BTB didn't have a problem when Livbucks filed a false report about tagging a deer he didn't kill!!
Perhaps he helped him construct the snare on this trail. Wonder if he put the buck into a big buck contest, doesn't two wrongs make a right.

BTBowhunter 12-24-2008 02:00 PM
RE: Rifle season 2008 is history
 
ORIGINAL: Coalcracker

ORIGINAL: BTBowhunter

In other words you wish to teach your grandson that it's OK to disrgard laws and rules that aren't convenient or that he doesn't like. Nice.
What laws and rules? I could teach him to be a game hog, like many hunters are todaywith this ME thing. Thereis no law against getting allthe tags you can and trying to fill all of them, there is no law against owning private land and harvesting deer on public land. There is no law against killing button bucks or youths shooting buck under three points to the side, if they don't do it on theirown property but do it on public land.

You got your shorts all bunched up over one doe, now when I talk about killing button bucks and smaller bucks, which is legal, all you think about is trophy deer.

I have no legal obligation to pass on button bucks to supply the SGL with buck the following Spring. The SGL is within a half mile of my home, I supply the SGL with four or five bucks each year, in return I receive one or two 1 1/2 year old buck. Give me one good reason, other than that's what I should do, when it is perfectly legal to take these button bucks.

Rationalize all you want. Make up stories to dodge the subject. The fact still remains that you took a 10 year old out and blatantly taught him that it's OK to disobey a law thats not convenient for you.

Whats so despicable is that you're teaching a very young impressionable hunter that it's OK to be a self serving poacher instead of a law abiding sportsman. How will you feel when or if he decides that the rules you have for your property arent convenient for him? Oh, I know what you'll say, thats different[:'(]

livbucks 12-24-2008 02:00 PM
RE: Rifle season 2008 is history
 
Perhaps he helped him construct the snare on this trail. Wonder if he put the buck into a big buck contest, doesn't two wrongs make a right.
I have never entered a single contest of that nature...ever.

CC..maybe to your credit, your kids didn't realize what was beng done was illegal. Party hunting has always been illegal in PA.

BTBowhunter 12-24-2008 02:02 PM
RE: Rifle season 2008 is history
 
ORIGINAL: livbucks

Perhaps he helped him construct the snare on this trail. Wonder if he put the buck into a big buck contest, doesn't two wrongs make a right.
I have never entered a single contest of that nature...ever.

CC..maybe to your credit, your kids didn't realize what was beng done was illegal. Party hunting has always been illegal in PA.
I think thats a given Greg. The kids likely don't know, at least at first, that dad/ grampa is leading themastray.

Coalcracker 12-24-2008 02:48 PM
RE: Rifle season 2008 is history
 
ORIGINAL: BTBowhunter

ORIGINAL: livbucks

Perhaps he helped him construct the snare on this trail. Wonder if he put the buck into a big buck contest, doesn't two wrongs make a right.
I have never entered a single contest of that nature...ever.

CC..maybe to your credit, your kids didn't realize what was beng done was illegal. Party hunting has always been illegal in PA.
I think thats a given Greg. The kids likely don't know, at least at first, that dad/ grampa is leading themastray.
But tagging a deer shot by another, then reporting it asan archery kill is perfectly legal and sporting. Based on your logic, how manypointsdoes a buck have to have, for a father to have his jr hunting child tag it, forit to be considered legal in your view?

Coalcracker 12-24-2008 02:59 PM
RE: Rifle season 2008 is history
 
ORIGINAL: livbucks

Perhaps he helped him construct the snare on this trail. Wonder if he put the buck into a big buck contest, doesn't two wrongs make a right.
I have never entered a single contest of that nature...ever.

CC..maybe to your credit, your kids didn't realize what was beng done was illegal. Party hunting has always been illegal in PA.
Yes I know party hunting is illegal, never triedto harvest more than one deer and turned downquite a few in my day, that were killed by others. How many have you tagged that were shot by others, other than that ten pointer shot and tagged by you for an archery kill. Don't be bashfull, I doubt that this was the first time.

BTBowhunter 12-26-2008 08:14 AM
RE: Rifle season 2008 is history
 
ORIGINAL: Coalcracker

ORIGINAL: livbucks

Perhaps he helped him construct the snare on this trail. Wonder if he put the buck into a big buck contest, doesn't two wrongs make a right.
I have never entered a single contest of that nature...ever.

CC..maybe to your credit, your kids didn't realize what was beng done was illegal. Party hunting has always been illegal in PA.
Yes I know party hunting is illegal, never triedto harvest more than one deer and turned downquite a few in my day, that were killed by others. How many have you tagged that were shot by others, other than that ten pointer shot and tagged by you for an archery kill. Don't be bashfull, I doubt that this was the first time.
You can try to twist the facts into pretzel if you want. No you didn't try to harvest more than one deer yourself. By tagging a deer for another and then driving for that person, you conspired to help him harvest more than the law allowed.

By allowing a 10 year old to shoot an illegal deer and tagging it yourself you not only conspired to kill an illegal deer, you corrupted a 10 year old.

Think about what you robbed HIM of by your illegal acts. He shot his very first deer but because grandad didnt like the law and taught him to poach, he can't show a picture or tell the story of his first deer even to his friends without lying about the details. If he has a conscience, it will be a cloud over him every time the subject of "the first deer" comes up among his hunting buddies. You stole something from him that can never be replaced. No amount of passing up does bucks or planting foodplots can undo what you have done.


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