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Old 11-30-2008, 10:18 AM
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I was pheasant hunting on Saturday in Schuylkill county and came across these tracks on a farm road leading from a hay/ corn field across a creek near a deer farm. If anyone can tell me what made this track I would like to hear your opinion. Looks like a big cat to me. Look at both pics!

www.uploadpicz.com/zman/W273MXX.jpg

www.uploadpicz.com/zman/TXIHJ28.jpg
go to www.trackincats.comand ask cougarsville if they can id it for you.

that is a huge track and a very good clear one but dont know if its a cougar track.


i cant see any toenails,can you?

if no toenails, its not a dog UNLESS TOENAILS are cut real short which with QUICK, IT CANT BE CUT THAT SHORT,but the pad does not look like a cougar pad.

the toes look like dog toes but i cant figure why no TOENAILS?
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Old 11-30-2008, 02:58 PM
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I am in Connecticut. I have connections to state biologists and have been told that they will not confirm because they do not want to create a stir and have anyone hunting (poaching)them. I have several friends that claim they saw one and I believe them. However 2 months ago a friend of mine showed me a picture of a mountain lion plain as day on the edge of a corn field with a radio tracking collar on it. This was on the NY/CT border. I know where the picture was taken and it was not doctored. The dep from both states were out and saw where the pix were taken and they made plaster casts of the tracks. This was in the town of Northeast. Now, I challenge anyone to call DEC in NY and get a confirmation that this occurred. I will guarantee you that they will deny it even though they have pictures in their hot little hands.

As far as the conspiracy theory post above, In states where they are abundant few people see them also. They are a very secretive animal and guys chase them for miles with dogs before they get a glimpse, let alone a shot at one. I firmly believe that they do cover it up.

Up in another town in Northwest CT I have a friend who manages a large tract of woods, 6000 acres actually. He found tracks of amountain lion and a friend of his is a guide for mountain lion in Oregon. He saw the tracks, measured them and believes with out doubt that they are from a mountain lion.
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Old 11-30-2008, 04:05 PM
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I was pheasant hunting on Saturday in Schuylkill county and came across these tracks on a farm road leading from a hay/ corn field across a creek near a deer farm. If anyone can tell me what made this track I would like to hear your opinion. Looks like a big cat to me. Look at both pics!

www.uploadpicz.com/zman/W273MXX.jpg

www.uploadpicz.com/zman/TXIHJ28.jpg
Those do look like mountain lion tracks...I looked up what mountain lion tracks look like when the first one was seen around here to see if they match what I saw...
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Old 11-30-2008, 05:42 PM
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I sent these pics to a guy I know who worked for the game commission. He said he himself had seen a cougar in the area he had lived (near State College) but he feels the prints are from a very big bobcat. I understand that if we do have cougar they would not be as big as those in the western states therefore their paws would not be quite as large.After seeing the prints my 65 pound shorthair made in the same area I cannot believe these prints were made by a bobcat. It would have to be a freak of nature. I work in a taxidermy shop and we have had big bobcats come into the shop. We also have a full mount large mountain lion and the prints are closer to the size of the lion's paws rather than the big bobcats we have mounted. I have never seen a mtn lion in the wild and am not saying for sure it was a lion that made these prints but it has convinced me to apply for a bobcat license next year. Since the Game Commission claims people mistake bobcats for mtn lions I guess mistakenly killing a mtn lion for a bobcat would be understandable, right? Very unlikely I will get the chance at whatever made the prints but it's worth a try.
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Old 11-30-2008, 06:38 PM
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I sent these pics to a guy I know who worked for the game commission. He said he himself had seen a cougar in the area he had lived (near State College) but he feels the prints are from a very big bobcat. I understand that if we do have cougar they would not be as big as those in the western states therefore their paws would not be quite as large.After seeing the prints my 65 pound shorthair made in the same area I cannot believe these prints were made by a bobcat. It would have to be a freak of nature. I work in a taxidermy shop and we have had big bobcats come into the shop. We also have a full mount large mountain lion and the prints are closer to the size of the lion's paws rather than the big bobcats we have mounted. I have never seen a mtn lion in the wild and am not saying for sure it was a lion that made these prints but it has convinced me to apply for a bobcat license next year. Since the Game Commission claims people mistake bobcats for mtn lions I guess mistakenly killing a mtn lion for a bobcat would be understandable, right? Very unlikely I will get the chance at whatever made the prints but it's worth a try.
that track is not bobcat unless it is on STEROIDS
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Old 12-01-2008, 01:07 AM
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I have not seen any ML here in PA nor any tracks of them. I do believe we have some around though. How many people have seen bears in the woods or even bear tracks? I would not hesitate to shoot one if I seen it just to prove them to be around. Someday someone will shoot one.

The reason no one sees them during the winter or any tracks is because, The PGC has them radio tagged and before major hunting season begins they track and tranq them and places them in cages till deer season is over then they release them when the woods calms down. LMFAO
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Old 12-01-2008, 02:04 AM
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I was pheasant hunting on Saturday in Schuylkill county and came across these tracks on a farm road leading from a hay/ corn field across a creek near a deer farm. If anyone can tell me what made this track I would like to hear your opinion. Looks like a big cat to me. Look at both pics!

www.uploadpicz.com/zman/W273MXX.jpg

www.uploadpicz.com/zman/TXIHJ28.jpg
Well folks......... I'm a skeptic until I see something and I 100% firmly believe that those are cat tracks. Without a doubt they are cat tracks. No nail marks and the pads are that of a cat. Good job of puting down the shotgun shell. Now we know they are longer than 3". That rules out house cat and bobcat. That only leaves us with one other choice. You've proved it to me that these are cougar tracks, but you didn't prove to me where they came from. I'll take your word on the location though.
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Old 12-01-2008, 09:08 AM
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The reason no one sees them during the winter or any tracks is because, The PGC has them radio tagged and before major hunting season begins they track and tranq them and places them in cages till deer season is over then they release them when the woods calms down. LMFAO
Ha Ha ha.. almost fell off my chair. Good one.
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Old 12-01-2008, 12:56 PM
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Bobcats don't make that big of tracks...the guy you talked to that used to work for the game commision is just covering it up....like the always do. Ask someone that knows about animals but doens't work for the game commision...that might give us a better answer.
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Old 12-01-2008, 02:42 PM
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This same discussion came up at our camp last week during bear season. My cousin told me that while he was on his lion hunt in Idaho and talking to the outfitter, the outfitter claimed that cougars have a huge home range. When they cut a track, if it is too old to follow, they keep checking the area. It usually takes about 5 days for a male lion to complete its circle of its home range. And this is in an area where lions exist in a huntable population. I don't discount the possibility of cougars in PA or NY or any other of the north eastern states. With the snow over the 3 day bear season, 3 of us in camp did cut several coyote tracks and a pair of bobcat tracks. The bobcat tracks were from 2 cats - probably a mated pair. (I don't know when their mating season is). But they were traveling together. And the tracks were no where near the size of the ones in this post but very similar in appearance.
I know it would be a real pi**ing contest in court if someone shot one here. The PGC claims that if an animal is not listed as a game animal nor on the unprotected list, it is protected. So a cougar in PA could not be legally shot. On the other hand, if the PGC claims they do not exist in PA how could someone shoot something that doesn't exist?? A Pandora's box it seems.
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