Screw in steps in NY
 

I've seen about a $1000 in tree damage from these things this year. One beautiful oak with a current value about $600, and a perfect sugar maple worth $300-400. I talked to the "hunter" who has the stand in the oak, and he didn't seem to think it was a big deal. I talked to the landowner and she did. Hopefully she makes him take the steps out and use a ladder, but she's near 80 and the "hunter" is a long time neighbor. The maple is on a property where the owner didn't want any nails or stands that would damage his trees. Another farmer is not allowing any hunting because he had a veneer quality oak ruined by screw ins and other trees that had nails.

Folks use your head, it's not your property, it's not your tree. If you have to use steps, put them in "soft" trees or something that is not of lumber quality.

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is the woman planning on selling the tree for lumber use? if it were killing a tree or making it look ugly i would say you have a gripe. i dont use screw in tree pegs but have seen enough bad pruning jobs and such to know it takes alot to kill a mature tree. a couple of tree pegs wont do it from what ive seen. my old tree climber would scar a tree but in a year the tree healed nicely. i dont like doing any damage but i dont see the harm in using bow hangers or hooks to hang gear. maybe a tree expert could jump in and weigh in on the subject.

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Why do you think it is not permitted on some public land andon timber Co. leased land to us screw in steps or to build perminant stands. Becausethe damagedecreases the value of the trees. I would think that some day some one will be selling the trees on any tract of land.

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Um maybe because if they are left in and the tree grows around them after 20 years, those metal pieces can be completely obscured and when the guy at the saw mill goes to cut lumber they can do a number on his saw. If the screw-in steps are removed at the end of the season I don't see it hurting the tree or the value of the lumber much. On state land I doubt every joe public would remember to take out theirs, most likely reason they are not allowed.

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Screw in damage the lumber value of any tree they are put in regardless of being left in or not.
Besides that you honor the landowners request regardless of personal opinions.

Steve

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That's why they run a metal detector down them.

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And then give you no $$$$$ for the tree FYI

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I use a climber personally, but I figure Ive put alot of lead and razors into alot of trees over the years shooting at, and through, game.

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Get a life dude, screw in steps do no damage to the dam tree. Geez you pissin on the tree will do more damage. Some people man I guess that you ran right up to the owner and ratted him out RIGHT!!!! get a life. go away.

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They do damage trees - especially veneer quality.[:'(]
Should never be used without permission unless YOU OWN the tree.
Your attitude is one of the things that make getting permission to hunt harder for all.

Steve

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Buy some land then and you will own the trees, quit worring about other people and get on with life. I understand your issues but if all the hunters go and squeal on other hunters then we are all just a sad bunch. I do agree that they should ask first. I have many many acres i bought and i have no problem with screw in steps now nails i do have issues with.

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buck, i have a tree in my yard,i only put little screws into tree to hold my feeders.

you should have seen the fluids come out of tree.

i took the screws out and plugged holes with wood putty.:eek:

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I own land and caretake others property as well.
I have a great life - thanks for caring.
And will speak up if I see any fool, hunter or not, damaging trees they do not own.

Steve

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You are so misinformed about trees. Each year we tap the maple trees and remove as much of the maple sugar sap that they can pump out. It does not hurt the trees. Trees substain damage from animals more than people and the seem to survive and fourish. I would suggest you put little bandaids on all the wounded trees you see and make them all better. Remember the big storm here in buffalo all them trees seem to be doing okay even thou many of them have more than 1/2 thier branches snapped off. They healed and are now doing very well. WAAAaaaa thare's a screw in my tree.

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Learn about the damage they do to quality lumber and veneer trees and then get back to us.

We are talking about an action that will lower the value of a tree at the mill.
Most sugar maple trees are never harvested for lumber or veneer - and tap spikes are not the 4 to 6 inches that treesteps are.
They do not damage the tree in the sense of killing it or stunting growth - they can flourish and grow
But the areas these are screwed into become near worthless to the buyers causing a substantial loss to the owner.
Broken branches and scrapped bark do not damage the lumber or veneer qualities either.
If damaging personal property to the point of causing loss of income to the owner does not bother you, I don't know what to say.
It would bother me greatly.

Steve

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Well said!!!!!!!!

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You guys kill me. There is a beetle that is killing forests by the hundreds acres all over the USA. These beetles kill trees but people continue to cut and transport wood from one state to another or one camp to another bringing the dam killers with them because they are to cheap or lazy to cut firewood where they are at. Look it up, google it, check it out a simple screw step in a tree is childs play next to these guys. Entire forests are dissapearing from these critters.... screw step arggggggggggggg

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i brought up your point at PGC/dcnr meeting at lock haven,pa

i said,YOU FOLKS WANT ALMOST ALL DEER DEAD HERE IN PA BECAUSE YOU SAY THEY EAT LITTLE TREES.

well, the gypsy moth is killing all oak trees and you do nothing but kill deer off.

i got no answer from that one.[:@]

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I understand stand now.

Because there are beetles, it is ok to use tree steps and damage trees so the owner gets little for them from the mill.
Took a while to see your logic - thanks for clearing it up.:)

Steve

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Geez buckdropper, you sound like the guy I ratted out to the land owner. TS......

I see screw-ins grown into trees because people are too lazy to take them out every year. Most likely they are too lazy to carry in a some type of ladder or climber, too.

Once they get old and rusty, the screw part brakes off in the tree when you try to remove them.

I lost one good hunting spot because people were too lazy or stupid to obey the land owner. I'm going to do my best not to let it happen again. If some DH wants to use nails or screw-ins, the land owner will be told.

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IF THEY WOULD PUT VASELINE ON THE SCREW,IT WOULD NOT RUST BUT THEY DONT TAKLE TIME TO DO THIS.

i was chased away from camp here in clinton county area i hunted for 45 years.

owner said i was 150 yds from his camp.

i went into area anyhow and guess why he did not want me within 150 yds.

WHY HE HAD SCREW STEPS IN TREE.

i knocked on door of camp and said,HEY WHO HAS TREE STEPS ILLEGALLY IN TREE, I AM TURNING THEM IN.

well, they walked out and said, YOU CAN HUNT NEAR CAMP.:D

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Just wondering how you guys put up your Posters on your land. Galvanized nails have been used for years by all land owners. Has there been a switch over to Glue or String that I missed to save the tree. Sure, screw steps do go in deep, but like was said before, If the landowner doesn't want anyone to use them or build stands in the woods, then you do what you have to do. Use a tree climber, pop-up tent, stalk, whatever, just keep the landowner happy.

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Now i never said if you use them to leave them in the tree. I would as i would expect each hunter to do is to remove them when they are done with the stand for the season. I would never just leave them in. I would also ask the land owner if i can use them if he/she says no then i won't. I allow plenty of hunters to hunt my acres as long as they play nice. My only rule as to stands is not to build one, simply bring a climber or use a ladder stand or scew steps and take out with you what you bring in. It works out well. If you are in my area and need a place to hunt ask me i'll let you hunt you seem like a knowlegable responsible hunter and we need more of you.